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txkypreacherskid
01-03-07, 05:45 PM
'Mean Girls'

Boozing, bikinis and bullying: how the scandalous behavior of five high-school cheerleaders rocked a bedroom community near Dallas.

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Gretel C. Kovach and Arian Campo-Flores
Newsweek
Updated: 3:37 p.m. CT Jan 2, 2007


The pictures posted on MySpace.com looked like the latest installment of "Girls Gone Wild." In them, cheerleaders from McKinney North High School in Texas exhibited all variety of bawdy behavior. One shot showed a bikini-clad girl sharing a bottle of booze with a friend. Another featured a cheerleader and several other girls in risqué poses offering glimpses of their panties. But the most infamous photo of all was taken in a Condoms To Go store. Five smiling cheerleaders dressed in uniform posed with large candles shaped like penises. At least one of them appeared to be simulating fellatio. "It would be an overstatement to describe any of the photographs as pornographic, but it would be an understatement to describe them as harmless high jinks," wrote Harold Jones, a lawyer hired by the school district to investigate the incident. "Quite frankly, I personally found it 'creepy'."

The photos are at the heart of a scandal that has rocked McKinney, an affluent bedroom community north of Dallas. By many accounts, the group of cheerleaders, known as the "Fab Five," were out of control—an elite social clique that flagrantly flouted school rules but faced few sanctions. In many ways, they seemed like the stereotypical "mean girls" that periodically trigger bouts of consternation among parents. But there's an added wrinkle to their tale: the Fab Five's alleged ringleader was the daughter of McKinney North's principal, Linda Theret. Amid charges that Theret gave the girls preferential treatment, the school district launched a $40,000 investigation conducted by Jones in the fall. His 70-page report, which harshly criticized Theret and assistant principal Richard Brunner, helped prompt Theret's resignation on Dec. 21 (Brunner remains on paid leave as he fights to retain his job). But Jones's report takes plenty of others to task as well, from parents to police. "Kids will be kids, but adults have to be adults," he wrote. "Sadly, in this saga, I was struck by the reticence of many adults to accept the role of 'being the grown-up'." Ward quit and took her story to the media.

The cheerleaders had reportedly been a menace long before the condom-store episode, according to the report. When one teacher told a squad member to quit chatting on her cell phone in class, the girl replied, "Shut up, I'm talking to my Mom." On a separate occasion, she offered this response to the teacher's reprimand: "Pull your panties out of a wad." "Gang members were nothing compared to these girls," the teacher told Jones. "They believe they cannot be touched." The girls were apparently just as ornery in their cheerleading activities, leading five coaches to quit in the last three years. The principal's daughter flipped off one former coach. But instead of kicking the daughter off the squad, school administrators allowed her to quit so she could try out the following year. After the incident, the coach told Jones, Theret "tried to ruin my life over this. I was called a liar, crazy, on meds." (Theret's attorney denies this.)

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txkypreacherskid
01-03-07, 05:49 PM
The problems culminated this fall under the most recent cheerleading coach, Michaela Ward. Though her relationship with the girls started off amicably, things quickly soured. Among the pranks they allegedly pulled on Ward: giving her what the report described as a "chocolate tampon" and sending racy text messages from her cell phone to her husband and another coach.

When the condom-store photos hit the Internet, they triggered a firestorm. Now taking a hard line, Theret, according to her attorney, recommended kicking the five girls off the squad. But a committee of administrators from the school and the district recommended 15-day suspensions for the girls in the drinking photo and 30-day suspensions for those in the condom-store snapshot. After parents protested that the latter picture shouldn't be treated more harshly than the former, the superintendent of schools agreed and reduced the penalty for the condom-store photo to 15 days. In the aftermath, Ward warned the cheerleaders that she would kick them off if there were any more incidents. "Good luck with that," one is said to have replied. Not surprisingly, there were more incidents, including the night of the homecoming dance, when some of the cheerleaders arrived in a limo packed with students who had apparently been boozing.

All of this might have remained below the radar had it not been for Ward. In October, she abruptly resigned and recounted her experiences with the girls to the media. In the resulting uproar, the school district called in Jones, whose report makes clear that he was as dismayed by the behavior of the adults as he was by that of the Fab Five. He criticized Ward for abetting the cheerleaders' misconduct. He lambasted school administrators for giving the girls far too many second chances. And he rebuked Theret for failing to balance her dueling obligations as a mother and a principal.

The parties involved, of course, dispute these conclusions. Theret's attorney, Bob Hinton, says that she was doing her best to control her recalcitrant daughter and that as principal, she propelled the school to the "pinnacle" of academic excellence—a point that Jones agrees with. One of the Fab Five claims that their depiction as "Girls Gone Wild" is unjustified. Critics "made us out to be people we're not," she says. Ward didn't return calls for comment.
At McKinney North, the tumult is finally beginning to subside. None of the Fab Five remain on the team, according to one of the ousted cheerleaders. Theret recently reached a settlement with the school board, agreeing to resign in exchange for a payment of around $75,000 and a letter of recommendation. In her wake, an interim principal has been named. "We want to move on," says a McKinney schools spokesman. Perhaps now that the reign of the Fab Five is over, they can.

© 2006 Newsweek, Inc. |

Solan=Christ!!!
01-03-07, 07:32 PM
Thread is useless without pics

;)

groverbabyBU
01-03-07, 09:48 PM
Thread is useless without pics

;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

deltbear
01-03-07, 10:08 PM
who cares, kids at my high school throw parties where everyone gets drunk and the girls wear lingerie all the time..

whitetrash
01-03-07, 10:30 PM
This story was in the DMN about 3 weeks ago. Not exactly a "web exclusive."

JETHRO
01-04-07, 07:04 AM
Don't you hate it when you bust your arse for years to get a good job and then your stupid kid get's you fired.

bobo
01-04-07, 09:12 AM
Sounds pretty much like any high school.

Wood
01-04-07, 12:20 PM
who cares, kids at my high school throw parties where everyone gets drunk and the girls wear lingerie all the time..

I'm a teacher and I'm not naive to think my kids don't throw parties, but I'm not even sure that these pictures are the main issue here. The things these cheerleaders have said and done to their teachers and coaches are completely unacceptable.

If a student (cheerleader, goth, jock or bookworm alike) was talking on his phone and then mouthed off to me when I said put it away (or give it to me, like we do here) their @$$ would be out the door on the way to the office in a split second and the problem would be dealt with. If I had any student say and do the things to me that these girls reportedly did to their coaches, only to have the administration back THEM up because one of the students was their kid, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't renew my contract either.

Not to mention the alleged being drunk (or being with drunks) on campus during a school event... there's a zero tolerance policy for that crap where I work. When a student freaking BREAKS A MAJOR LAW and the administration covers it up... that looks REAL bad on the school when it rises to the surface (and it always will.)


...Of course, next there will be a big scandal as to "oh I guess a teacher found their MySpace pics" and so instead of the girls getting in trouble the teacher will be fired as a pedophile and his or her computer gets confiscated by the cops :lol:

BaylorBabe
01-04-07, 12:25 PM
The kids are trashy for doing that in the first place and stupid for leaving a trail. Not to mention their pathetic "I want to be your best friend not your mom or dad" parents. Oh well.

nein51
01-04-07, 12:25 PM
Thread is useless without pics

;)
I dont venture to CC and R&P any more but just for Solan

nein51
01-04-07, 12:26 PM
Totally shifty business there

nein51
01-04-07, 12:26 PM
And dont make me bust out the "fellatio smiley"

BearTooth
01-04-07, 12:32 PM
This story was on the Today Show this morning.

WacoGone
01-04-07, 12:36 PM
This is my favorite part of the whole thing:

Now taking a hard line, Theret, according to her attorney, recommended kicking the five girls off the squad. But a committee of administrators from the school and the district recommended 15-day suspensions for the girls in the drinking photo and 30-day suspensions for those in the condom-store snapshot. After parents protested that the latter picture shouldn't be treated more harshly than the former, the superintendent of schools agreed and reduced the penalty for the condom-store photo to 15 days.
They wanted to give less time for BREAKING THE LAW AND DRINKING than for being in a head shop. :lol: Ah, USA.

DONNIE D
01-04-07, 12:40 PM
This is my favorite part of the whole thing:

They wanted to give less time for BREAKING THE LAW AND DRINKING than for being in a head shop. :lol: Ah, USA.I buy all my tie-dyed t-shirts there.;)

nein51
01-04-07, 12:52 PM
This is my favorite part of the whole thing:

They wanted to give less time for BREAKING THE LAW AND DRINKING than for being in a head shop. :lol: Ah, USA.Frankly, none of them should be punished at all in terms of suspension. Remove them from the cheer squad, fine.

It appears their actions were on their own time and the school has nothing to do with that.

If the law wants to take action on every 16 yr old who ever took a swig let them.

Giving fake head to a candle should count as practice time, something a good portion of HS cheerleaders need (in my recollection).

WacoGone
01-04-07, 01:14 PM
Frankly, none of them should be punished at all in terms of suspension. Remove them from the cheer squad, fine.

It appears their actions were on their own time and the school has nothing to do with that.

If the law wants to take action on every 16 yr old who ever took a swig let them.

Giving fake head to a candle should count as practice time, something a good portion of HS cheerleaders need (in my recollection).
I think that they were in uniform in the condom pix. At any rate, their behavior in the classroom is far more disturbing than the other stuff, in my opinion.

nein51
01-04-07, 05:25 PM
I think that they were in uniform in the condom pix. At any rate, their behavior in the classroom is far more disturbing than the other stuff, in my opinion.They were (dont ask how I know) but that is grounds for removal from the cheerleading squad, not school.

Hmmm...take away the priveledge or the education?

WacoGone
01-04-07, 06:49 PM
They were (dont ask how I know) but that is grounds for removal from the cheerleading squad, not school.

Hmmm...take away the priveledge or the education?
Doesn't sound like they were getting much of an education. Not sure what's getting taken away. Personally, I'd send them to military school. That's pretty much my answer to everything.

BearChick
01-04-07, 07:04 PM
So your kids say, WG.

FTR, I agree with what Wood says here. Man, I am so glad I am not a teacher.

WacoGone
01-04-07, 07:41 PM
So your kids say, WG.
Yes, but it's so hard to find a school that will take a preschooler.

BearChick
01-04-07, 08:05 PM
Perhaps a military academy which caters to toy soldiers?

deltbear
01-04-07, 08:19 PM
I see this nothing more as a funny joke the cheerleaders did and then the teacher decided to be nosy and go looking for trouble. Teacher was just jealous that they didnt make "that team" or whatever in high school and were known as the loser... yep.. thats about it..

bstone
01-04-07, 08:46 PM
I have first hand knowledge of this incident. Last school year I taught several of these girls at MNHS. Needless to say, even if I didn't join the Air Force, I don't think I would have gone back to that school. These girls were way out of control. Especially the principals daughter. I think they deserve much more punishment than they got.

WacoGone
01-04-07, 08:48 PM
Perhaps a military academy which caters to toy soldiers?
Well, the five-year-old might be up for that. He announced last weekend that he's going to be a soldier because he wants to do a really dangerous job when he grows up. :cry:

bstone
01-04-07, 08:50 PM
as far as the teacher/sponsor goes, she was an excellent teacher. she tried hard to "throw the book" at them because no one had been disciplining the girls. they seriously thought that they ran the school. you know the girls are bad when all of their teachers cant stand them. heck, even the other cheerleading sponsors disliked these girls.

Wood
01-04-07, 09:15 PM
I see this nothing more as a funny joke the cheerleaders did and then the teacher decided to be nosy and go looking for trouble. Teacher was just jealous that they didnt make "that team" or whatever in high school and were known as the loser... yep.. thats about it..
1321 from your posts I assume you're still a student. Pictures or no pictures, they're still directly giving the teachers hell because they know Mommy has their backs and they can get away with whatever they want.

I know it's fun as a student to give the teachers a hard time. I did it when I was in high school, and I have students to it to me everyday. It's part of the challenge. But stealing a teacher's or coach's phone and using it to send lewd text messages to that teacher's spouse is totally over the line (let alone using, no even taking, that phone at all.)

1321 have you ever mouthed off at a teacher like these girls did after being caught doing something you KNOW you weren't supposed to? Have you ever told a teacher "not to get their panties in a wad" because they were doing their job and trying to maintain an environment in which the 25 or so other kids in that class that WANTED to learn could do so?

groverbabyBU
01-04-07, 09:47 PM
This story was on the Today Show this morning.
The cheer coach was on GMA this morning as well.

JGTBH
01-04-07, 10:15 PM
I'm seeing it more and more...especially in affluent suburban High Schools...the parents run the show...Pissing off the wrong parent = professional suicide...Principals who are desperate to get that next Asst. Supt. job at the ad building don't want parent complaints about their school, especially if the parents are movers and shakers...Parents all want discipline in the school, as long as it's someone else’s kid who is getting it, and they all want their baby to get the high GPA, and hold everyone accountable but the kid.



I mentioned this earlier in a thread on education that mysteriously disappeared, but in 21 years of teaching I've never had one parent complain that their child wasn't learning enough...only that their grade wasn't high enough.




The rich inmates are running the asylum.

kbrun
01-05-07, 01:17 AM
Great post, JGTBH. It's no wonder that teachers are leaving the classroom. Graduates who enter the eduation field today will never retire as a teacher.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 08:50 AM
1321, how old are you?

WacoGone
01-05-07, 09:29 AM
1321, how old are you?
Add up the numbers, Babe. Add up the numbers. :rolleyes: And I mean as single digits.

WacoGone
01-05-07, 09:30 AM
Um, has anyone noticed that there are 47 guests on this thread? WTF?

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 09:56 AM
4 members and 54 guests? Something must be off on the counter.

Bexar Fan
01-05-07, 10:09 AM
....or MHS kids found out about the thread.

WacoGone
01-05-07, 10:18 AM
^^^^ Winner winner chicken dinner. Now there are 71 guests.

Here's the deal: Don't want the world to know about your misbehavior, kids? Then don't misbehave. Don't act like you own the world because (1) high school ain't "the world," and (2) when you leave high school, not one single person's gonna give a sh!t about whether or not you were a cheerleader or whether or not you ruled the hallways in high school. Unless you're trying out for the Cowboy's squad.

Remember: the last thing you want is for your peak to occur when you're in high school. You are always striving for the peak. Don't think you've hit it at age 18.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 10:22 AM
So what's the over/under on the number of these girls that end up on Girls Gone Wild before their first semester of college is over?

(i bet the high schoolers are gonna be PISSED at me for that one, oh well, guess their moms can't do too much now).

WacoGone
01-05-07, 10:23 AM
So what's the over/under on the number of these girls that end up on Girls Gone Wild before their first semester of college is over?
Babe, first they've got to get into a college. I don't know too many profs who would put up with their apparent preferred response to "get off your cell phone."

tommie
01-05-07, 10:24 AM
I'm seeing it more and more...especially in affluent suburban High Schools...the parents run the show...Pissing off the wrong parent = professional suicide...Principals who are desperate to get that next Asst. Supt. job at the ad building don't want parent complaints about their school, especially if the parents are movers and shakers...Parents all want discipline in the school, as long as it's someone else’s kid who is getting it, and they all want their baby to get the high GPA, and hold everyone accountable but the kid.



I mentioned this earlier in a thread on education that mysteriously disappeared, but in 21 years of teaching I've never had one parent complain that their child wasn't learning enough...only that their grade wasn't high enough.




The rich inmates are running the asylum.This is right on Target.

tommie
01-05-07, 10:24 AM
Babe, first they've got to get into a college. I don't know too many profs who would put up with their apparent preferred response to "get off your cell phone."
I'd have broken the cell phone and dealt with the consequences

WacoGone
01-05-07, 10:29 AM
I'd have broken the cell phone and dealt with the consequences
Amen. Or at least acquired myself a new cell phone.

BearFan04
01-05-07, 10:48 AM
Anybody ever have Dr. Thomas Myers for a polisci class at BU? DO NOT HAVE YOUR CELL ON IN CLASS. I have seen the consequences, and they are dire.

It did not happen to me, thank God.

Wood
01-05-07, 11:14 AM
Anybody ever have Dr. Thomas Myers for a polisci class at BU? DO NOT HAVE YOUR CELL ON IN CLASS. I have seen the consequences, and they are dire.

It did not happen to me, thank God.

I had Meyers (sp?) and I got a quiz passed over my head once for being one minute late, but I don't think a phone ever went off. I remember him being an outspoken Democrat, and always taking stabs at Aggies every chance he got. I don't remember if it was him or Greco who was always ripping the blatantly chauvinistic jokes, however.

So fill us in on the cell phone deal. Does he throw it across the room? Smash it? Call their significant other? :lol:

Solan=Christ!!!
01-05-07, 11:22 AM
So what's the over/under on the number of these girls that end up on Girls Gone Wild before their first semester of college is over?

(i bet the high schoolers are gonna be PISSED at me for that one, oh well, guess their moms can't do too much now).


Probably not until the second semester. Joe does most of his work over Spring Break.

These kids are "normal" and that's tragic. Belief in the overwhelming importance of the self is a downfall of our youth, and apparently of many of our adults as well.

FTR: I don't think it's the high schoolers, I think two people were finally able to get all of their alt-nicks on at the same time.

BearFan04
01-05-07, 11:24 AM
I had Meyers (sp?) and I got a quiz passed over my head once for being one minute late, but I don't think a phone ever went off. I remember him being an outspoken Democrat, and always taking stabs at Aggies every chance he got. I don't remember if it was him or Greco who was always ripping the blatantly chauvinistic jokes, however.
Myers had the jokes. I can't see Greco bringing too much humor into the classroom... he was a pretty straight arrow.


So fill us in on the cell phone deal. Does he throw it across the room? Smash it? Call their significant other? :lol:
The rule in his class, at least when I was there, was as follows: if your phone goes off in class, you DO NOT rummage in your bag and decline the call/silence the phone/turn it off. You must answer the phone. Then you must approach the front of the room and have your conversation made public -- in full. You may not say "I am in class, I can't talk." You may not in any obvious manner attempt to shorten the length of the call or restrict the conversation in any way. So you talk to the caller. You have the entire conversation that, as Dr. Myers says, "clearly cannot wait and must be very important for you to risk disrupting class for everyone." And then you hand the phone to Dr. Myers... and HE talks to the caller. Then he confiscates the phone and you remain at the front of the room while Dr. Myers and the class critique your conversational skills. Then you get a lecture on how much tuition money you have just wasted with the disruption.

It is not pretty. On the bright side, cell phones rarely ring in his classes. And NEVER the same one twice.

Solan=Christ!!!
01-05-07, 11:26 AM
Myers had the jokes. I can't see Greco bringing too much humor into the classroom... he was a pretty straight arrow.


The rule in his class, at least when I was there, was as follows: if you phone goes off in class, you DO NOT rummage in your bag and decline the call/silence the phone/turn it off. You must answer the phone. Then you must approach the front of the room and have your conversation made public -- in full. You may not say "I am in class, I can't talk." You may not in any obvious manner attempt to shorten the length of the call or restrict the conversation in any way. So you talk to the caller. You have the entire conversation that, as Dr. Myers says, "clearly cannot wait and must be very important for you to risk disrupting class for everyone." And then you hand the phone to Dr. Myers... and HE talks to the caller. Then he confiscates the phone and you remain at the front of the room while Dr. Myers and the class critique your conversational skills. Then you get a lecture on how much tuition money you have just wasted with the disruption.

It is not pretty. On the bright side, cell phones rarely ring in his classes. And NEVER the same one twice.


That's incredible. I'm stealing it.

StatMan
01-05-07, 11:32 AM
Welcome to the 'Girls Gone Wild' generation! :rolleyes:
'Mean Girls'

Boozing, bikinis and bullying: how the scandalous behavior of five high-school cheerleaders rocked a bedroom community near Dallas.

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Gretel C. Kovach and Arian Campo-Flores
Newsweek
Updated: 3:37 p.m. CT Jan 2, 2007


The pictures posted on MySpace.com looked like the latest installment of "Girls Gone Wild." In them, cheerleaders from McKinney North High School in Texas exhibited all variety of bawdy behavior. One shot showed a bikini-clad girl sharing a bottle of booze with a friend. Another featured a cheerleader and several other girls in risqué poses offering glimpses of their panties. But the most infamous photo of all was taken in a Condoms To Go store. Five smiling cheerleaders dressed in uniform posed with large candles shaped like penises. At least one of them appeared to be simulating fellatio. "It would be an overstatement to describe any of the photographs as pornographic, but it would be an understatement to describe them as harmless high jinks," wrote Harold Jones, a lawyer hired by the school district to investigate the incident. "Quite frankly, I personally found it 'creepy'."

The photos are at the heart of a scandal that has rocked McKinney, an affluent bedroom community north of Dallas. By many accounts, the group of cheerleaders, known as the "Fab Five," were out of control—an elite social clique that flagrantly flouted school rules but faced few sanctions. In many ways, they seemed like the stereotypical "mean girls" that periodically trigger bouts of consternation among parents. But there's an added wrinkle to their tale: the Fab Five's alleged ringleader was the daughter of McKinney North's principal, Linda Theret. Amid charges that Theret gave the girls preferential treatment, the school district launched a $40,000 investigation conducted by Jones in the fall. His 70-page report, which harshly criticized Theret and assistant principal Richard Brunner, helped prompt Theret's resignation on Dec. 21 (Brunner remains on paid leave as he fights to retain his job). But Jones's report takes plenty of others to task as well, from parents to police. "Kids will be kids, but adults have to be adults," he wrote. "Sadly, in this saga, I was struck by the reticence of many adults to accept the role of 'being the grown-up'." Ward quit and took her story to the media.

The cheerleaders had reportedly been a menace long before the condom-store episode, according to the report. When one teacher told a squad member to quit chatting on her cell phone in class, the girl replied, "Shut up, I'm talking to my Mom." On a separate occasion, she offered this response to the teacher's reprimand: "Pull your panties out of a wad." "Gang members were nothing compared to these girls," the teacher told Jones. "They believe they cannot be touched." The girls were apparently just as ornery in their cheerleading activities, leading five coaches to quit in the last three years. The principal's daughter flipped off one former coach. But instead of kicking the daughter off the squad, school administrators allowed her to quit so she could try out the following year. After the incident, the coach told Jones, Theret "tried to ruin my life over this. I was called a liar, crazy, on meds." (Theret's attorney denies this.)

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Yogi
01-05-07, 12:11 PM
I don't remember that many people carrying cellphones on their person when I was at BU. Of course, back then, you were lucky if you could take your cell phone out of your car.

-and don't ever get caught roaming!

Santa Claus
01-05-07, 12:21 PM
When I was in Dallas getting Christmas requests, those five girls showed up at the mall.

Let me just say that Santa was very, very happy after they made their requests.:)

nein51
01-05-07, 01:06 PM
Some of you act like you never did anything "fun" in HS. Hell, I have stories that make this look like a bedtime story.

Surely some on here were the center of attention in HS???

jaybear
01-05-07, 01:26 PM
Other than talking back to the teachers and the cell phone thing, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. Thats not really the best way to put it; the actions they are apparently being punished for are not the actions they should be punished for. Thats better. I mean, if thats the worst that they did, they seem pretty tame to me. Maybe my high school was just full of loose girls, but I don't think thats the case.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 01:38 PM
still 55 freaking guests on this thread. i guess they are slow readers.

FIJIFan
01-05-07, 01:42 PM
still 55 freaking guests on this thread. i guess they are slow readers.

Or they dont watch the news...this was a big deal 3 or 4 weeks ago...

I personally am sick of it now.

nein51
01-05-07, 01:46 PM
still 55 freaking guests on this thread. i guess they are slow readers.They are waiting for the pictures...which is perfectly understandable.

tommie
01-05-07, 01:58 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36111795@N00/with/344634644/

http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/Karrissa_30/?action=view&current=toungesss.jpg

gowilde
01-05-07, 02:03 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36111795@N00/with/344634644/

http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/Karrissa_30/?action=view&current=toungesss.jpg

tommie! You da man. Those girls are smokin' hot. No wonder they've gotten so many breaks, ifyouknowwhatimean. ;)

Seriously. The only actionable offense I can determine is the classroom misbehavior. And the teacher should have handled that situation.

What am I missing here?

deltbear
01-05-07, 02:14 PM
Im 18 and bout to graduate. How old are you?

deltbear
01-05-07, 02:16 PM
1321 from your posts I assume you're still a student. Pictures or no pictures, they're still directly giving the teachers hell because they know Mommy has their backs and they can get away with whatever they want.

I know it's fun as a student to give the teachers a hard time. I did it when I was in high school, and I have students to it to me everyday. It's part of the challenge. But stealing a teacher's or coach's phone and using it to send lewd text messages to that teacher's spouse is totally over the line (let alone using, no even taking, that phone at all.)

1321 have you ever mouthed off at a teacher like these girls did after being caught doing something you KNOW you weren't supposed to? Have you ever told a teacher "not to get their panties in a wad" because they were doing their job and trying to maintain an environment in which the 25 or so other kids in that class that WANTED to learn could do so?

lol, no I have not done any of these and do not plan on it. I was unaware of the cell phone part.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 02:19 PM
Maybe I am the only one who doesn't think it's OK to be posing fellating a phallic shaped candle in a school uniform and then post it on the internet. But clearly since they're hot it's OK :rolleyes:

jaybear
01-05-07, 02:24 PM
gw, youre not missing anything. And besides, you can see girls like that on campus without looking hard.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 02:26 PM
Im 18 and bout to graduate. How old are you?

I'm old enough to know you were about 18 before you ever said it. ;)

I'm 29.

gowilde
01-05-07, 02:26 PM
1321 from your posts I assume you're still a student. Pictures or no pictures, they're still directly giving the teachers hell because they know Mommy has their backs and they can get away with whatever they want.

I know it's fun as a student to give the teachers a hard time. I did it when I was in high school, and I have students to it to me everyday. It's part of the challenge. But stealing a teacher's or coach's phone and using it to send lewd text messages to that teacher's spouse is totally over the line (let alone using, no even taking, that phone at all.)

1321 have you ever mouthed off at a teacher like these girls did after being caught doing something you KNOW you weren't supposed to? Have you ever told a teacher "not to get their panties in a wad" because they were doing their job and trying to maintain an environment in which the 25 or so other kids in that class that WANTED to learn could do so?

Wood--I'm a teacher, too. Let me address your comments one by one.

1. Yes, they prolly thought that the principal would bail them out. Agreed here. But shouldn't the principal have disciplined her own daughter?

2. It sounds to me like the cheerleader coach gave her cellphone to the cheerleaders or at least made it accessible. How could the cheerleaders "steal" her cellphone if she had it in her possession or locked up? I personally think it's funny that the girls sent those text messages. Aren't most of your text messages boring? Mine are.

3. One time I returned a set of papers at the beginning of class because I wanted to point out numerous errors many students had made. While I was writing on the blackboard a female student said, "BULL****." It was heard by everyone. So I asked her to leave the class. The teacher has to deal w/ classroom situations.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 02:28 PM
Wood--I'm a teacher, too. Let me address your comments one by one.

1. Yes, they prolly thought that the principal would bail them out. Agreed here. But shouldn't the principal have disciplined her own daughter?

2. It sounds to me like the cheerleader coach gave her cellphone to the cheerleaders or at least made it accessible. How could the cheerleaders "steal" her cellphone if she had it in her possession or locked up? I personally think it's funny that the girls sent those text messages. Aren't most of your text messages boring? Mine are.

3. One time I returned a set of papers at the beginning of class because I wanted to point out numerous errors many students had made. While I was writing on the blackboard a female student said, "BULL****." It was heard by everyone. So I asked her to leave the class. The teacher has to deal w/ classroom situations.

So you would think it was funny if I used your cell phone to send racy messages to another teacher at Baylor? I'll remember that. ;)

J.R.
01-05-07, 02:28 PM
What a bunch of tarts and tramps. It is actually the parents that produce tarts like these. I guarantee you, the parents are just like this girls. Precisely why mine go to private school. This crap ain't tolerated, period.

gowilde
01-05-07, 02:30 PM
So you would think it was funny if I used your cell phone to send racy messages to another teacher at Baylor? I'll remember that. ;)

You'd have to get my cellphone first. And I'm not sharing it w/ you! I know your wicked ways! J/K! :)

gowilde
01-05-07, 02:42 PM
Maybe I am the only one who doesn't think it's OK to be posing fellating a phallic shaped candle in a school uniform and then post it on the internet. But clearly since they're hot it's OK :rolleyes:

Precisely how is this--what, snooping?--the principal's or teachers' responsibility?

Wouldn't one of them have to visit the myspace or facebook profile? Isn't that kinda creepy?

Bexar Fan
01-05-07, 02:47 PM
....and pics.

tommie
01-05-07, 03:00 PM
I'm old enough to know you were about 18 before you ever said it. ;)

I'm 29.
Not too far from Social Security

tommie
01-05-07, 03:02 PM
jaybear--Yup. And some coeds show up to my classes in their pjs. It's the "in" thing, I guess.
I told my daughter to go to school in her PJs. She said no dad, I "got that out of the system. "

Droopy pants/ underwear showing is the next order.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 03:44 PM
Precisely how is this--what, snooping?--the principal's or teachers' responsibility?

Wouldn't one of them have to visit the myspace or facebook profile? Isn't that kinda creepy?

employers check out myspace/facebook for "incriminating" stuff all the time - is that creepy? Didn't the new Panhellenic advisor at BU do something similar and tell all the girls to yank alcohol/racy stuff?

They are representing their school when they have that uniform on, and they're responsible for that whether they like it or not.

jaybear
01-05-07, 03:53 PM
gw, ain't life great? Can't wait for classes to start.

WacoGone
01-05-07, 04:01 PM
Some of you act like you never did anything "fun" in HS. Hell, I have stories that make this look like a bedtime story.

Surely some on here were the center of attention in HS???
Sure, but I never would have spoken that way to my teachers. Never.

Santa Claus
01-05-07, 04:03 PM
employers check out myspace/facebook for "incriminating" stuff all the time - is that creepy? Didn't the new Panhellenic advisor at BU do something similar and tell all the girls to yank alcohol/racy stuff?

They are representing their school when they have that uniform on, and they're responsible for that whether they like it or not.

Well, I wear a uniform. But I've never let that stop me from having some Ole Santa fun.

Lighten up, Francis. Er, Frances.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 04:12 PM
Well, I wear a uniform. But I've never let that stop me from having some Ole Santa fun.

Lighten up, Francis. Er, Frances.

Stef,

Don't you have something to be doing? ;)

Santa Claus
01-05-07, 04:17 PM
Stef,

Don't you have something to be doing? ;)

I'm Santa. And I'm proudly male.

If you'd like to check out my...er...measurements, send me a PM and we can hook up. You're 29, eh? Santa likes!

Solan=Christ!!!
01-05-07, 05:03 PM
Schtick is getting old. Running it into the ground.

BaylorBabe
01-05-07, 05:08 PM
I'm Santa. And I'm proudly male.

If you'd like to check out my...er...measurements, send me a PM and we can hook up. You're 29, eh? Santa likes!

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

BearChick
01-05-07, 05:14 PM
I agree with Babe here, FTR.

One, respect for yourself and others is a basic thing. Period. These girls didn't have it. Their classroom behavior was beyond inappropriate. And just because the cellphone may have been accessible, that makes it the teacher's fault that they were messing with her personal property?

For almost 20 years, my mother taught second graders. Second graders like to pick up things. Even if it were something as simple as a pencil or chalk, my mother ALWAYS made a big deal of it, because if they would pick up the librarian's chalk when they were 7, they would pick up their cheerleading coach's cell phone at 17. Parents would complain to my mother that their kid was disciplined (got written up in their folder that went home and usually went to time out) for chalk theft. My mother's response, always, was "And was it their chalk to begin with?" No. My mother has a zero tolerance approach to things like that because if it's not your property, it doesn't matter what you do with it or how insignificant it is, it is NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

Furthermore, if you are in my mom's class and you have to apologize--in this example, issue an apology to the librarian for stealing her chalk--you must look the person in the eye (no looking at your shoe or at the wall in the distance) and you must apologize in a complete sentence. You can't just mumble "Sorry." You must clearly say "I am sorry for taking your chalk." In my mom's classroom, her kids have to take personal responsibility for their behavior. She's tough. And you know what? Her kids love her because they always know where they stand with her. And her kids learn personal responsibility. Sounds like these girls could have used a year with MamaBearChick in second grade.

Two, as for the pictures... Yes, they were on their own time, but as Babe pointed out, they were wearing their uniforms. Ergo, they were representing their school. At my employer, it stated clearly that when you reached a certain job grade level, you had certain conduct requirements no matter where you were because you could represent the company anywhere. And this was not an executive grade level, either. I was at it for years.

These girls deserved far more than the slap on the wrist they got. And you know why? Because they are going to be positively insufferable when they get out in the real world and have to work with you and me, and they're going to breed more little self-entitled, self-absorbed brats like them. And that's just what the world needs. Another vapid generation without common decency or courtesy.

nein51
01-05-07, 05:29 PM
Jesus you girls are boring as f*ck. I am not excusing the classroom behaviour, however.

I love how no female on this site has EVER EVER done anything inappropriate.

Makes me wonder how I met all the complete wh*res at BU that I did?

wantsBU2win
01-05-07, 06:57 PM
i must find that myspace page.....guess I know what I'll be doing tonight :lol:

wantsBU2win
01-05-07, 06:58 PM
read some of the comments about the pics on that page tommie linked. It's hilarious

gowilde
01-05-07, 07:04 PM
I agree with Babe here, FTR.

One, respect for yourself and others is a basic thing. Period. These girls didn't have it. Their classroom behavior was beyond inappropriate. And just because the cellphone may have been accessible, that makes it the teacher's fault that they were messing with her personal property?

For almost 20 years, my mother taught second graders. Second graders like to pick up things. Even if it were something as simple as a pencil or chalk, my mother ALWAYS made a big deal of it, because if they would pick up the librarian's chalk when they were 7, they would pick up their cheerleading coach's cell phone at 17. Parents would complain to my mother that their kid was disciplined (got written up in their folder that went home and usually went to time out) for chalk theft. My mother's response, always, was "And was it their chalk to begin with?" No. My mother has a zero tolerance approach to things like that because if it's not your property, it doesn't matter what you do with it or how insignificant it is, it is NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

Furthermore, if you are in my mom's class and you have to apologize--in this example, issue an apology to the librarian for stealing her chalk--you must look the person in the eye (no looking at your shoe or at the wall in the distance) and you must apologize in a complete sentence. You can't just mumble "Sorry." You must clearly say "I am sorry for taking your chalk." In my mom's classroom, her kids have to take personal responsibility for their behavior. She's tough. And you know what? Her kids love her because they always know where they stand with her. And her kids learn personal responsibility. Sounds like these girls could have used a year with MamaBearChick in second grade.

Two, as for the pictures... Yes, they were on their own time, but as Babe pointed out, they were wearing their uniforms. Ergo, they were representing their school. At my employer, it stated clearly that when you reached a certain job grade level, you had certain conduct requirements no matter where you were because you could represent the company anywhere. And this was not an executive grade level, either. I was at it for years.

These girls deserved far more than the slap on the wrist they got. And you know why? Because they are going to be positively insufferable when they get out in the real world and have to work with you and me, and they're going to breed more little self-entitled, self-absorbed brats like them. And that's just what the world needs. Another vapid generation without common decency or courtesy.

BC--Here's a first in the history of BF, at least since I've been a poster. You're dead wrong.

I'm a teacher, and I call caca on your post. Times have changed dramatically in the last, say, 10 years.

In fact, I think I can write a book on changed interactions b/n students and teachers. I wonder if a Tier-1 press will publish it?

wantsBU2win
01-05-07, 07:12 PM
BC--Here's a first in the history of BF, at least sense I've been a poster. You're dead wrong.

I'm a teacher, and I call caca on your post. Times have changed dramatically in the last, say, 10 years.

In fact, I think I can write a book on changed interactions b/n students and teachers. I wonder if a Tier-1 press will publish it?

wow GW

Solan=Christ!!!
01-05-07, 07:29 PM
It's really not a question of which "team" to side with. The institution was wrong for not taking control of the students' classroom behavior long before anything happened. The parents were wrong for not taking control of their childrens' behavior in the classroom and about school. The students are idiots, but I'm more inclined to forgive that since I did stupider things in high school. They should, however, accept the consequences with grace.


GW, I think you'll agree that the sense of entitlement among students is a huge detriment to their teachability and to their effectiveness both in the classroom and in social situations. Whatever can be done to reduce those attitudes and create more teachable persons should be done.

gowilde
01-05-07, 07:42 PM
GW, I think you'll agree that the sense of entitlement among students is a huge detriment to their teachability and to their effectiveness both in the classroom and in social situations. Whatever can be done to reduce those attitudes and create more teachable persons should be done.

After 20+ years in the classroom (at Baylor), I can tell you that some students don't give a ****, some try, some succeed, and some just amaze me with their brilliance.

Every class has a different mix and a different outcome.

Yogi
01-05-07, 07:50 PM
After 20+ years in the classroom (at Baylor), I can tell you that some students don't give a ****, some try, some succeed, and some just amaze me with their brilliance.



I still have that effect on you after all these years? ;)

wantsBU2win
01-05-07, 07:57 PM
i was excited to correct GW's use of verbage. I feel so proud :bow: :lol:

gowilde
01-05-07, 07:59 PM
I still have that effect on you after all these years? ;)

Since (not sense) you may have been one of my students, I'll have to say that you might have had that effect.

Were you one of my students? PM me.

Yogi
01-05-07, 08:02 PM
Since (not sense) you may have been one of my students, I'll have to say that you might have had that effect.

Were you one of my students? PM me.

I don't know. Maybe; maybe not.

I would have liked to have been.

WacoGone
01-05-07, 08:19 PM
Jesus you girls are boring as f*ck. I am not excusing the classroom behaviour, however.

I love how no female on this site has EVER EVER done anything inappropriate.

Makes me wonder how I met all the complete wh*res at BU that I did?
I can't speak for the rest of the "boring as f*ck" women on here, but I was completely wild in high school. Completely. No one was wilder. I did not, however, go around in a cheerleading uniform taking pictures of myself in head shops, nor did I ever smart off to a teacher the way these girls are described as having done. I also was not sadistic and did not play "pranks" that had a nasty edge to them. Being "inappropriate" or wild or engaging in idiotic behavior is one thing; being a stupid, sadistic, ill-behaved little b!tch is something else entirely.

gowilde
01-05-07, 08:19 PM
I don't know. Maybe; maybe not.

I would have liked to have been.

Thanks, Yogi! That's the best compliment I've received in years!

(Don't tell Chip or Faulkner's Bear!)

Wacoso
01-05-07, 11:48 PM
I can't speak for the rest of the "boring as f*ck" women on here, but I was completely wild in high school. Completely. No one was wilder. I did not, however, go around in a cheerleading uniform taking pictures of myself in head shops, nor did I ever smart off to a teacher the way these girls are described as having done. I also was not sadistic and did not play "pranks" that had a nasty edge to them. Being "inappropriate" or wild or engaging in idiotic behavior is one thing; being a stupid, sadistic, ill-behaved little b!tch is something else entirely.

Exactly.

I broke into my high school several times to pull pranks on underclassmen. They still haven't fixed the passage in the roof, btw. Next, you never did something malicious as sending a lewd message to someone.

gw,

I question your judgement on these kids getting the coach's cell phone and sending the messages. What happens when little gw pulls something like this and gets his ass kicked? Cause guys handle it differently and personally I think I might have kicked the dad's asses if I were the husband of the cheer coach. Bunch of maladjusted slutty whoores.

Oh, Here Are The Pics (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kittycat.php)

BearChick
01-05-07, 11:59 PM
Yep, boring as all get out. That's me. Playing by the rules just sucks. And it's been so detrimental to my life, too.

I really don't care if anyone thinks I'm right or I'm wrong. I believe in basic courtesy and self-respect, and my children WILL demonstrate courtesy and respect to adults and those in authority positions. Period. End of story. I'm sorry that respect and common decency have gone out of style in the last 10 years. Perhaps Baylor isn't where I'd like to send my kids someday, after all.

PS, my mom is still in education. Has been for 20+ years. She teaches in the most socio-economically disadvantaged school in her district. She now teaches jr. high, but taught most of her career at the elementary school next door. And I'm glad manners and accountability aren't out of style in her classroom, even if they seem to be elsewhere. Good Lord, no wonder most teachers only make it 4 years in the classroom once they leave school. Who would want to spend their time with brats like these for $30K a year?

Waymond Bear1
01-06-07, 04:10 AM
hot hot hot eve nt tha fat one. really. hahahahahhaa., m oooooooooooooooo cow! cow cow cow1 doubvle chin = bag - one good time

Waymond Bear1
01-06-07, 04:12 AM
lighten up its funny.

DONNIE D
01-06-07, 02:17 PM
Let me say, if that's them in the pics Tommie posted, then I'm not sure what everyone, (you GW) thinks is so hot. Those kids look like bleached out crack ho's. I didn't see one I would do, but I'm old. I think respect should be a class all it's on. Wacoso and I went to the same school, and of course were guys, but all the hell raising we did as kids had an end result if caught. I was so stupid when I was young, I wrote my name(my name)!! on the underpass of the interstate in my hometown. Wonder who saw that? My dad had me there with a pale of water and soap getting it off. Then I got my A$$ kicked. Kids are out of hand these days, and I think the parents(most) need to do something about it. Teachers are there to teach, not babysit.

Wacoso
01-06-07, 02:23 PM
You can still see the name if you squint hard.

Just kidding. Just the way it was and should be. You cross the line, your lip gets busted. Cross it again, your nose might be sideways. You know it, I know, the whole world knows it, but pussies sue after learning their lesson.

DONNIE D
01-06-07, 02:30 PM
You can still see the name if you squint hard.

Just kidding. Just the way it was and should be. You cross the line, your lip gets busted. Cross it again, your nose might be sideways. You know it, I know, the whole world knows it, but pussies sue after learning their lesson.:lol: My brother told me, he still laughs when he goes under it thinking about me with the bucket of water.

piratestef
01-06-07, 03:38 PM
Boo! Donnie, you should go back and re-write your name on that overpass to confuse the crap out of your brother.

I've been unable to say anything about this for a week, but yes, those girls are trashy. Trashy trashy trashy. I'm not excusing their behavior, but some of you are talking like every single thing they did was the school's responsibility. No, it's not. The school's responsible for what goes on at school and at school events. What happens afterwards is the parents' fault, and they're crappy parents for turning out trashy girls.


employers check out myspace/facebook for "incriminating" stuff all the time - is that creepy? Didn't the new Panhellenic advisor at BU do something similar and tell all the girls to yank alcohol/racy stuff?

They are representing their school when they have that uniform on, and they're responsible for that whether they like it or not.

Yes. Baylor Panhellenic's really cracked down on facebook for some reason. It's a little overboard, but since sororities are NOT allowed to serve alcohol at any function, it's understandable to check for that, along with any "illegal contact" with potential new members ("rush events" held by individual organizations, etc., etc.). Most sororities are really big on presenting a good image, anyway. Either you take down the "naughty" pics and comments, or you take off your letters and sorority group affiliation. Baylor doesn't give a rat's posterior about the GDIs (or the Greeks, for that matter, aside from Tam Dunn herself--which means we're basically a self-policing system within Baylor--again, because Baylor as a whole doesn't really care about something as asinine as facebook).

Problem with that analogy is that people choose to join a sorority and hold themselves to those higher standards (plus there's usually an officer in each one that makes sure they're behaving). Public schools require kids to be there, else they're truant. Bad analogy.

It's still in poor taste, though, and where it would get them in trouble is if the cheerleaders had their own code of ethics/standards/behavior/etc. Mine had one in junior high based on the principle that cheerleaders are supposed to be "leaders" for the school. It doesn't look like MNHS has one that would extend to off-campus, still-in-uniform kind of behavior like that, or at least not one that's enforced. Fault on the cheer coach there. Regardless, the girls need to be kicked out of cheer at the very least.

Plus, it's a whole 'nother banana with an employer as opposed to a school. Employers CHOOSE to hire or fire people and they CHOOSE to pay them. Obviously if you look like a drunk online, that's going to affect you if your employer checks myspace before hiring you. Public schools have you there whether you or they like it or not. It's just a bad analogy.

Either way, they ought to suspend or expel those chicks for antics like the cell phone thing. Or hire Dr. Myers for their next homeroom teacher.

gowilde
01-06-07, 03:39 PM
Let me say, if that's them in the pics Tommie posted, then I'm not sure what everyone, (you GW) thinks is so hot. Those kids look like bleached out crack ho's. I didn't see one I would do, but I'm old. I think respect should be a class all it's on. Wacoso and I went to the same school, and of course were guys, but all the hell raising we did as kids had an end result if caught. I was so stupid when I was young, I wrote my name(my name)!! on the underpass of the interstate in my hometown. Wonder who saw that? My dad had me there with a pale of water and soap getting it off. Then I got my A$$ kicked. Kids are out of hand these days, and I think the parents(most) need to do something about it. Teachers are there to teach, not babysit.

DONNIE--I was half-joking about the girls' hotness. Have you noticed that anytime someone puts up pics of chickas, someone says, "Hey, that's hot!"?

I'm old school, too. I always said, "Yes, sir" and "Yes, ma'am" to my teachers. Back in the day, the vice principal could "discipline" unruly students w/ his big paddle. Back in the day, teachers could mete out discipline. I remember my 6th-grade teacher hitting my hands for not holding my pen properly.

Today's students are way different. Most of my students are polite, do their work, and take their grade. But some are indifferent, undisciplined, and impolite. Since most of my students are paying a steep tuition, I tend to let a lot of little stuff slide. It's not worth the hassle.

I wouldn't teach in any secondary system anywhere in the country. Teachers and principals can't mete out discipline, have paper trails to follow, and PC parents threatening law suits.

So, generally, I just don't see the problem w/ these cheerleaders. Most of the misbehavior took place off campus and after classes. Parents should take care of the discipline.

piratestef
01-06-07, 03:41 PM
So, generally, I just don't see the problem w/ these cheerleaders. Most of the misbehavior took place off campus and after classes. Parents should take care of the discipline.

Ding ding ding. (Even though they won't. But still, the school's responsibility is on school grounds. If the principal won't do her job and punish her own kid, she should've been fired right then and there.)

Or at least someone's butt's gotta get in trouble for providing alcohol to highschoolers. Even I think that's a little young to be hitting the bottle.