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Long Richard
12-08-03, 03:02 PM
Makes sense to me.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-08-03, 03:03 PM
Most convicts are.

Long Richard
12-08-03, 03:04 PM
I bet they are more liberal too.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-08-03, 03:05 PM
There was a study posted in here not too long ago that showed most inmates were supporters, obviously not voters, of the democrats.

tommie
12-08-03, 03:07 PM
Cereal's been proven to keep you leaner, maybe it helps you grow taller too.

Kerrvert
12-08-03, 04:25 PM
this is a classic republican response: when in the wrong, disparage other people!!!

BigOlBurlyBear
12-08-03, 04:27 PM
Seriously, there was post that had some link to support what I said. I don't care to dig it up but it was in the R&P boards.

sonuvabear
12-08-03, 04:28 PM
That would be because most of the inmates are not from nice, well-off white families who's concerns revolve around only themselves and not those less fortunate.

Inmates are democrats because the Reps would prefer they were dead (death penalty). They would also prefer we spent less on prison facilities. Also, most of these inmates came from families that were poor and forced to live off of government handouts. Republicans would rather these people starve than take their tax money, or would use some uninformed arguement like "why don't they just get a job?"

Now, if you guys are trying to say that liberalism breeds criminal behavior, then you're making it even harder for me to be Republican.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-08-03, 04:34 PM
That would be because most of the inmates are not from nice, well-off white families who's concerns revolve around only themselves and not those less fortunate. So let me get this straight. The fact that these people could not rise above the situation they were born into and do any better than BREAK THE LAW, I should feel they have a better view on life and helping people?!?!? Head out of ass PLEASE! That is the most BS I have seen crammed into a few sentences since read vision 2012.

Guess what? My dad came from a poor family. Talkin no money south waco family. Did HE turn to crime? Did he blame others for his situation? Hell no. He worked his ass off and got into college, and has made a great career for himself and provided for his family.
Republicans would rather these people starve than take their tax money, or would use some uninformed arguement like "why don't they just get a job?" Democrats would LOVE to give all these people a nice home but would they pay for it? Hell no! They want the wealthy people who DIDN't break the law to do it.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-08-03, 04:37 PM
Inmates are democrats because the Reps would prefer they were dead (death penalty). If they were caught and convicted for KILLING someone else, doesn't that take away from your stance that they aren't selfish, only white republicans are.

Liberalism doesn't breed criminal behavior, but it sure as heck accepts it.

sonuvabear
12-08-03, 05:57 PM
BOBB, I doubt you father was a victim of (and I am assuming here, so bear with me) sexual abuse, drug abuse, or severe physical abuse. Did he know his parents? Did he suffer from debilitating depression?
Did he have several family members in prison at the time?

Here's something that most Republicans do not seem to grasp: They are not purposefully avoiding getting jobs! It is not their plan to sit at home and take your money! There are exceptions, of course, but for the majority there are no alternatives in order to stay alive.

These things are difficult to understand when coming from backgrounds like ours. It's even more difficult to understand why someone wouldn't want to succeed. It's a matter of perception. If crime is seen as their place in life, as it most often is, and that they are not capable of success, which is often the perception they have, then it is almost impossible for a young person to climb out of this hole. Those that do are the exception.

About the death penalty, I wasn't saying I thought it was wrong. I was just saying that if I was on death row, I'd be on the side of the folks trying to keep me alive.

convinceme
12-08-03, 08:10 PM
...and most greedy, white-collar criminal CEOs are more likely to be Republicans.

Ghostrider
12-08-03, 08:42 PM
That b/c most successful people are republican

sonuvabear
12-08-03, 08:47 PM
Yes, and that's kind of my point. The Republican party serves the interest of successful people. The aristocracy, if you will.

BU64&70
12-08-03, 09:37 PM
BOBB and Rushy, in your idle moments you might want to see who does more harm to society, white-collar or non-white collar criminals. If you find it is white collar, which I think you will, could one then say, Republicans are more harmful to society than Democrats?

Pecos 45
12-08-03, 09:45 PM
Congressman Janklow's recent conviction on manslaughter shows that Republicans are terrible drivers and even worse liars.

Texas Golfer
12-08-03, 10:08 PM
You guys are speculating and are trying to justify. The title of the thread is not about robbing the local 7-11. It's talking about being a serial killer. Let's talk about that.

Ghostrider
12-08-03, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Pecos 45
Congressman Janklow's recent conviction on manslaughter shows that Republicans are terrible drivers and even worse liars. Almost as bad as Teddy huh?

LoadedForSteele
12-08-03, 10:14 PM
what about beastiality afficianados?

pld advise.

BU64&70
12-08-03, 11:12 PM
I understand that most of the clients of a dominatrix are successful white males (usually Republican).

TxG, there is nothing serious to be discussed here. It is as absurd as most of the threads on this board.

Texas Golfer
12-09-03, 12:00 AM
Although this is nothing serious, I've noticed on the last few threads that, the subject has nothing to do with what you guys (liberals) discuss. On this thread, the title is talking about serial killers and ya'll downgrade it to all criminals
regardless of how trivial the crime. On the other thread about unemployment, ya'll IMMEDIATELY changed it to reflect the deficit. Your not discussing the actual topics.

LoadedForSteele
12-09-03, 12:03 AM
TG - how many hours of Econ. did you take?

I would guess 3 or less.

Texas Golfer
12-09-03, 12:14 AM
I've got a masters degree with several econ hours so don't try attacking me. And what does it have to do with serial killers. You just made my point. Thank you.

lawdog
12-09-03, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by BU64&70
BOBB and Rushy, in your idle moments you might want to see who does more harm to society, white-collar or non-white collar criminals. If you find it is white collar, which I think you will, could one then say, Republicans are more harmful to society than Democrats?

Is it your position that someone who murders another is less harmful to society than someone who is lies on tax returns or to investors? Laughable.:lol:

High Plains Alum
12-09-03, 08:19 AM
My speculation (to continue the tongue-in-cheek spirit of this thread)is that most serial killers are libertarians: highly individualistic, little respect for legitimate authority regulating personal behavior (e.g., murdering several individuals because of a lifestyle choice), and not wanting the government regulating what goes on in one's domicile (which leaves out snipers).

Long Richard
12-09-03, 09:29 AM
Ted Bundy = Democrat
John Wayne Gacey = Democrat
Jeffry Dahmer = Democrat
Ed Gein (Buffalo Bill) = Democrat
Gary Ridgway = Democrat
Pedro Lopez = Democrat
Richard Ramirez = Democrat
Anatoly Onoprienko = Democrat
Albert Fish = Democrat

kasemon
12-09-03, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by High Plains Alum
My speculation (to continue the tongue-in-cheek spirit of this thread)is that most serial killers are libertarians: highly individualistic, little respect for legitimate authority regulating personal behavior (e.g., murdering several individuals because of a lifestyle choice), and not wanting the government regulating what goes on in one's domicile (which leaves out snipers).

Ahh, but as many claim that is not their fault and that they are victims of society or insanity, they would thus be Democrats.

Now when we get a serial killer who is willing to take responsibility for his actions...then we will have a Republican.

High Plains Alum
12-09-03, 11:17 AM
KASEMON,

There can be Republican and Libertarian "victims of society," and all of us with Socialist tendencies know that insanity is slightly more likely a Republican affliction than a Democratic one. Why else are there so many private mental health clinics and hospitals, since there are almost no public mental health clinics and hospitals?

I would think that "insane" Republicans probably outnumber "insane" Democrats in those facilities.

On the other hand, maybe hospitalization keeps Republican serial killers "off the streets," leaving "the streets" to Democratic serial killers.

kasemon
12-09-03, 11:31 AM
Private institutions are not peopled with Republicans. On the contrary, it is through the generosity of Republicans that so many 'societally abused' Democrats, the truly insane, are so philanthropically taken care of.

We don't mind. It is our duty to take care of the less fortunate and less mentally agile.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-09-03, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by sonuvabear
BOBB, I doubt you father was a victim of (and I am assuming here, so bear with me) sexual abuse, drug abuse, or severe physical abuse. Did he know his parents? Did he suffer from debilitating depression?
Did he have several family members in prison at the time?

Here's something that most Republicans do not seem to grasp: They are not purposefully avoiding getting jobs! It is not their plan to sit at home and take your money! There are exceptions, of course, but for the majority there are no alternatives in order to stay alive.

These things are difficult to understand when coming from backgrounds like ours. It's even more difficult to understand why someone wouldn't want to succeed. It's a matter of perception. If crime is seen as their place in life, as it most often is, and that they are not capable of success, which is often the perception they have, then it is almost impossible for a young person to climb out of this hole. Those that do are the exception.

About the death penalty, I wasn't saying I thought it was wrong. I was just saying that if I was on death row, I'd be on the side of the folks trying to keep me alive. Whoa whoa whoa, when did this become about the criminal being a victem? You said they were not centered around themselves like rich white people. Now it's about them being a victem of sex, drug or physical abuse? Rich people can be abused. Guess what? There are poor people out there who were abused and never broke into a car or went on a shooting spree because of it. Being abused doesn't give you a free pass to break the law in ANY way shape or form.

Not every one thinks poor people are criminals, you just said that was an excuse to be one. Not everyone thinks poor people choose to be poor. I wasn't addressing that in mentioning my father, I was addressing the fact he didn't turn to crime and that despite his impoverished beginings he was able to climb out of that hole and be the only one in his family to graduate college. he had crime around him. He had to run home from school till he got big enough because of gangs.

Just because crime is commonplace in their lives, that does NOT give them a free pass to join in.

And you're right, if I wanted to break the law and kill people or steal, I too would be a democrat. Then I could elect people who are either criminals like me or never had any contact with people like me. You seem to be the latter.

sonuvabear
12-09-03, 01:25 PM
We're getting away from my point here. I never said these people should be allowed to commit crimes. I was saying why they are more likely to turn to crime than white-collar folks, and it's not because they want to take your money in most cases.

Making a correlation between the fact that someone is a democrat and a criminal is absolutely ludicrous. My point: Lower demographic people are more likely to commit crimes due to their surroundings and necessities. This doesn't make it okay, but they see it as the only option. These Lower demo people are also more likely to be democrat because the govt. provides for their survival, and the dems are a big reason for this.

There are plenty poor people who are clean, and plenty of white-collar people who commit crimes for the simple pleasure of making someone else miserable. However, from a sociological standpoint, there are reasons why poor people from bad backgrounds are more likely to commit crimes, and why people who are loved and well-raised in middle-class families are less likely. None of them, believe it or not, have to do with wanting to get a free ride. This is a baseless assumption that those who've not studied any kind of sociology seem to pass down from generation to generation.

Also, if you are insinuating that I've not had contact with people in this demographic, then let me tell you that it is my extensive work with them that leads me to make this arguement. I won't post my resume, but let's just say I have hundreds of hours working with both children and adults from this socio-economic bracket.

I'm a Republican, believe it or not, but I just really get frustrated when fellow Reps make the party look so selfish when acting like these people commit crimes and can't find jobs just to make our lives more difficult.

I'll avoid nitpicking individual phrases from your responses or attacking you personally, but I've got to tell you that it's stuff like this that makes Reps seem like selfish, hateful people.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-09-03, 01:32 PM
So, maybe you can find it for me. Where did I say these people are poor because they are lazy?

Also, the fact that these people may not have had a good chance to succeed in life does NOT negate the fact that most criminals are democrats. All you seem to want to do is justify them BEING criminals.

You've had contact with them? Good for you. Have you lived in poor neighborhoods or gone to public schools that are populated by gangs or the people you have had "contact" with? Believe me, there is a world of difference between the two.

bubbadog
12-09-03, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by kasemon
It is our duty to take care of the less fortunate and less mentally agile.


So does this mean I am kasemon's keeper?

Can't he go back into the provisional admission program or something?

sonuvabear
12-09-03, 02:12 PM
Yes, I grew up in a lower class neighboorhood in Waco and went to Waco High. I've also taught in three schools in Waco. I've also taught at the McLennan County Challenge Academy (where they send the kids who've been kicked out of school and then kicked out of alternative school). I hope that's suitable.

You are correct that most criminals are democrats. My point was the "why" and it had to do with what demographic democrats receive the most support from. As long as you're not saying two identical people raised in the same situation, one dem and one rep, that the dem would be more likely to end up a criminal, then this is a valid arguement. If this study and your arguement are insinuating that the simple fact that they are democrat has increased their chances of turning to crime, then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-09-03, 02:33 PM
As long as you're not saying two identical people raised in the same situation, one dem and one rep, that the dem would be more likely to end up a criminal, then this is a valid arguement. :lol: I hope that's not what I made seem as though I was saying! I was just reminding the dems in here of who agrees with them. People in jail.

I should not have jumped on you like I did in my response to your first post. I apologize.

High Plains Alum
12-09-03, 02:42 PM
TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SERIOUS AND FACETIOUS, HOW DO WE KNOW EMPIRICALLY THAT "PEOPLE IN JAIL" AGREE WITH THEM?

I teach a course in Penology (and used to teach Criminology), and I've never, never seen any data indicating an overwhelming political preference or agreement by inmates with either party.

(I still think this thread is entertaining, but far from serious.)

BigOlBurlyBear
12-09-03, 02:43 PM
I guess I have to dig the damn thread up. I'll be back in an hour. If anything at least you're rid of me for that long.

bubbadog
12-09-03, 03:12 PM
Using the word "penology" will only get kasemon worked up into a lather.

LoadedForSteele
12-09-03, 03:35 PM
TG,

Masters in what?

sonuvabear
12-09-03, 03:44 PM
BOBB,
Ok, good. I was worried there for a minute.

High Plains,
Criminology has to one of the most interesting fields I was never able to study. My freshman year roommate is finishing up at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice right now, and we've talked about it quite a bit. While I'd love to hear your view on some of this, I would imagine you'd tell me to sign up for your course.

Mothra
12-09-03, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by sonuvabear
We're getting away from my point here. I never said these people should be allowed to commit crimes. I was saying why they are more likely to turn to crime than white-collar folks, and it's not because they want to take your money in most cases.

Making a correlation between the fact that someone is a democrat and a criminal is absolutely ludicrous. My point: Lower demographic people are more likely to commit crimes due to their surroundings and necessities. This doesn't make it okay, but they see it as the only option. These Lower demo people are also more likely to be democrat because the govt. provides for their survival, and the dems are a big reason for this.

There are plenty poor people who are clean, and plenty of white-collar people who commit crimes for the simple pleasure of making someone else miserable. However, from a sociological standpoint, there are reasons why poor people from bad backgrounds are more likely to commit crimes, and why people who are loved and well-raised in middle-class families are less likely. None of them, believe it or not, have to do with wanting to get a free ride. This is a baseless assumption that those who've not studied any kind of sociology seem to pass down from generation to generation.

Also, if you are insinuating that I've not had contact with people in this demographic, then let me tell you that it is my extensive work with them that leads me to make this arguement. I won't post my resume, but let's just say I have hundreds of hours working with both children and adults from this socio-economic bracket.

I'm a Republican, believe it or not, but I just really get frustrated when fellow Reps make the party look so selfish when acting like these people commit crimes and can't find jobs just to make our lives more difficult.

I'll avoid nitpicking individual phrases from your responses or attacking you personally, but I've got to tell you that it's stuff like this that makes Reps seem like selfish, hateful people.

While it is true that "lower demographic" people are more likely to commit crime, I am curious as to why it is that the lower demographic people in the United States, who have a MUCH higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world, are more likely to commit crime than they are in any other industrialized country in the world?

BTW, the majority of the ranks of Republican voters reside in the middle class. Are these people part of the aristocracy? I think that would be a tenuous argument at best.

Perhaps these people would simply rather like to keep their hard-earned money, like to see our nation be prepared to defend itself, and favor traditional family values.

That's just a thought.

BigOlBurlyBear
12-09-03, 04:19 PM
Damnit! It was a Newsmax article quoting a dem county commissioner in Florida. No system of polling was presented. Here's the thread.

http://baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31708

sonuvabear
12-09-03, 11:58 PM
Mothra, you're still in the upper class if you make, I believe, $600,000 per year or something like that. Middle Class includes alot of wealthy people.

Ghostrider
12-10-03, 12:03 AM
Not many make 600k...where does middle start nowadays, 40k combined?

Mothra
12-10-03, 08:41 AM
Middle class is around $42,000 combined.

To say that it is the upper echelon of salaries that allowed a Republican in office is completely inaccurate, as people making over $120,000 a year consist of only around 4% of the U.S. population. The vast majority of his votes came from people making under that amount.

Hardly an aristocracy.

sonuvabear
12-10-03, 01:15 PM
According the othe govt., upper-middle class, which would be included here, makes up to $300,000. Middle class itself makes up to $87,000.

Mothra
12-10-03, 01:26 PM
So is the upper middle class and the half of the middle class that voted for Bush included in this aristocracy?

Interestingly enough, this aristocracy of which you speak consists of more than half of the population.

Texas Golfer
12-10-03, 01:59 PM
Middle class is $87K - $300K? This number is insane!

The "X" Factor
12-10-03, 02:23 PM
No Middle class is from 42,000 to 87,000.
Upper Middle class is 88,000-300,000.