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    DMN/NYT reporters give good news this morning

    ChuckCarltonDMN: Big 12 board of directors votes to equally share Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue including football TV, men's basketball TV and NCAA Tournament.

    ChuckCarltonDMN: One caveat: The Big 12 revenue sharing becomes effective after each member grants its Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV rights for six years.

    PeteThamelNYT: Big 12 announces equal distribution, which will happen after each school puts in its grant of rights.

    PeteThamelNYT: When each school votes on agreeing to the grant of rights, the Big 12 will effectively be saved. But, that still needs to happen.

    PeteThamelNYT: That said, I doubt that Neinas and Big 12 announce this without having Mizzou on board. This was a key step in luring them back.

    PeteThamelNYT: The Big 12 grant of rights, when agreed to, will be for "at least six years." A message to BYU and others: "We're not dysfunctional."

    PeteThamelNYT: It remains to be seen what LHN agreements have been made. RT @vgregorian: Accordingly, Mizzou curators expected to meet tomorrow
    I suppose Mizzou curators have to meet either way, but it'd make a lot more sense for them to just acknowledge what they're discussing.

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    lUT and LHN????? they have always wanted to share equally right???

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    No idea what you're getting at, but the LHN would not be part of this deal, that would remain entirely UT's, pending those "LHN agreements" in the last tweet from Thamel.

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    Not sure exactly why any of this indicates anything about our intentions. Nothing announced here is new from when we first started acting coy and refused to commit. And as mentioned, I thought LHN was our biggest problem. Still, it seems likely Mizzou is staying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueSon View Post
    I thought LHN was our biggest problem.
    you've been listening to aggy too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueSon View Post
    Not sure exactly why any of this indicates anything about our intentions. Nothing announced here is new from when we first started acting coy and refused to commit. And as mentioned, I thought LHN was our biggest problem. Still, it seems likely Mizzou is staying.
    No need to by coy Roy...

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    This could be significant or just a house of cards.

    I think it is just to get a symbol of stability out in the public.

    It is, at least, a start in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooldogg View Post
    you've been listening to aggy too much...
    No, I'm pretty sure it has been. I know it's Pinkel's biggest issue.

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    Mizzou wanting to feel wanted.....that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasjurisd View Post
    Mizzou wanting to feel wanted.....that is all.
    don't we all?

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    So, is what this really means is that negotiations are ongoing. The Big 12 still might be losing members, but it might become less unstable.

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    LHN is Tier 3 and not affected by this announcement. Which means all Big 12 schools have the opportunity to make the most of their Tier 3 rights, if they will just put some effort into it and stop whinning about the school that did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueSon View Post
    I know it's Pinkel's biggest issue.


    Then get off your asses and do something with your Tier 3 rights and quit complaining about the 1 school that showed you how it's done.

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    The NFL is based on equal sharing and there are no bigger capitalists then the owners. They knew how to protect a league not tear one apart. Thanks ESPN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfan View Post
    Then get off your asses and do something with your Tier 3 rights and quit complaining about the 1 school that showed you how it's done.
    Oh sure we'll call up ESPN and get right on that. How much do you think they'll pony up for a Mizzou TV Network? $400, $500 million? Or maybe we can go to a conference that is poised to put in place a real conference network that benefits everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfan View Post
    Then get off your asses and do something with your Tier 3 rights and quit complaining about the 1 school that showed you how it's done.
    Yeah, honestly, that's a lame argument. I know Dodds keeps trying to push it, but he assumes the whole world is stupid.

    No, not everyone can start their own network. In the Big 12 only Texas can pull it off, and even then it's a risky experiment for ESPN. No one is going to team up with Baylor or Iowa State for their own networks. Dodds knows this. Everyone knows this. But he still insults everyone's intelligence by trying to sell the lie that "everybody can do it."

    Yeah, yeah, everyone can start a pointless online network, but how are they going to make money on that and get exposure? They're not. Dodds knows this.

    The reason everyone agreed to the tier 3 deal is to keep UT from leaving for the PAC. No one had any leverage. OU and A&M jumped on board because they thought they could do the same and take advantage of the situation as well. Turned out they couldn't, and they both got their panties in a wad.

    If Dodds didn't have a PAC offer hanging over everyone's heads, the majority of the schools would not have signed off on this tier 3 deal. It only benefits UT. The forgotten five had no choice but to give UT what they wanted, then bribed OU and A&M to stay. Now A&M is trying to run out the back door with our money, and UT is trying to tell us how fair the conference is. If Dodds' lips are moving he's lying or at best manipulating everyone for the sake of "looking out for our own best interest."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugramps View Post
    Yeah, honestly, that's a lame argument. I know Dodds keeps trying to push it, but he assumes the whole world is stupid.

    No, not everyone can start their own network. In the Big 12 only Texas can pull it off, and even then it's a risky experiment for ESPN. No one is going to team up with Baylor or Iowa State for their own networks. Dodds knows this. Everyone knows this. But he still insults everyone's intelligence by trying to sell the lie that "everybody can do it."

    Yeah, yeah, everyone can start a pointless online network, but how are they going to make money on that and get exposure? They're not. Dodds knows this.

    The reason everyone agreed to the tier 3 deal is to keep UT from leaving for the PAC. No one had any leverage. OU and A&M jumped on board because they thought they could do the same and take advantage of the situation as well. Turned out they couldn't, and they both got their panties in a wad.

    If Dodds didn't have a PAC offer hanging over everyone's heads, the majority of the schools would not have signed off on this tier 3 deal. It only benefits UT. The forgotten five had no choice but to give UT what they wanted, then bribed OU and A&M to stay. Now A&M is trying to run out the back door with our money, and UT is trying to tell us how fair the conference is. If Dodds' lips are moving he's lying or at best manipulating everyone for the sake of "looking out for our own best interest."
    Kansas quite of money on their Tier 3 content, it's just that it isn't as heavily advertised by ESPN, so no one knows about it. The Jayhawk network supposedly brings in around $7 million a year to show bad OOC basketball games, and the Kansas/UT game will be split on both the LHN and the Jayhawk Network. Amazingly enough, more people in Kansas will probably get to see it than in Texas because contrary to the LHN, the Jayhawk network is actually on TV in Kansas.

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    A look at revenue sharing in the Big 12
    Updated: 2011-10-04T04:11:55Z
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    Equal revenue sharing in the Big 12?
    If the Big 12 had divided its payouts to members equally for the last school year, Missouri would have received less money than it actually gained. Currently, schools receive more money based on television, bowl and NCAA Tournament appearances. But because the Big 12’s new sharing proposal includes a grant of rights, Missouri and other schools would gain the security that’s a hallmark of other conferences.

    2009-10 payouts




    Kansas $12,116,857
    Texas $12,048,365
    Oklahoma $11,214,630
    Okla. St. $10,692,725
    Missouri $10,395,893
    Baylor $10,228,970
    AVERAGE $10,136,406
    Texas Tech $9,689,068
    K-State $9,428,315
    Nebraska $9,334,548
    Texas A&M $9,265,582
    Iowa State $8,896,242
    Colorado $8,325,680
    TOTAL $121,636,875
    Sources: Tulsa World, IRS Form 990



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    Comparing the contracts
    How the Big 12’s television contract and revenue distribution compares with the other five Bowl Championship Series automatic qualifying conferences:

    Big 12, $155 million a year

    •Sharing: Equal and grant of rights pending approval

    •First-tier rights: ABC/ESPN ($480 million, expires in 2016)

    •Second-tier rights: Fox ($1.2 billion over 13 years starting in 2012)

    •Third-tier rights: Negotiated by schools

    Pac-12, $250 million a year

    •Sharing: Equal and grant of rights

    •First- through third-tier rights: ESPN and Fox ($3 billion total, both expire in 2023)

    Big Ten, $214 million a year

    •Sharing: Equal and 20-plus year grant of rights

    •First- and second-tier rights: ABC/ESPN ($1 billion, expires in 2016) and CBS (basketball, $20 million, expires in 2019)

    •Third-tier rights: Big Ten Network ($2.8 billion, expires in 2032)

    SEC, $205 million a year

    •Sharing: Equal

    •First- through third-tier rights: ABC/ESPN and CBS ($3.075 billion total, both expire in 2024)

    ACC, $155 million a year

    •Sharing: Equal

    •First- and second-tier rights: ABC/ESPN ($1.86 billion, expires in 2023)

    Big East, $33 million a year

    •Sharing: Unclear how money is split

    •Rights: ABC/ESPN ($200 million over six years, expires in basketball in 2012 and football in 2014)

    Sources: Media reports



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornfan View Post
    Then get off your asses and do something with your Tier 3 rights and quit complaining about the 1 school that showed you how it's done.
    Hornfan, you keep forgetting one thing. UT is a state supported school subsidized by taxpayers. Without taxpayer money UT would not be a large university and would not be able to dominate football as it has. So, indirectly, LHN is subsidized by taxpayers. The same thing applies to Missouri and all state schools. If you do not share your revenue with the state private schools, why shouldn't we instruct our legislators to cut off all funding to UT. Afterall, UT could use the revenue from LHN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordByron View Post
    Hornfan, you keep forgetting one thing. UT is a state supported school subsidized by taxpayers. Without taxpayer money UT would not be a large university and would not be able to dominate football as it has. So, indirectly, LHN is subsidized by taxpayers. The same thing applies to Missouri and all state schools. If you do not share your revenue with the state private schools, why shouldn't we instruct our legislators to cut off all funding to UT. Afterall, UT could use the revenue from LHN.
    The LHN will give a minimum of $25 million back to UT. I think your indirect subsidy has a few problems. You shouldn’t instruct your legislators to cut off all funding because:
    1. You’ll be laughed out of the room.
    2. It would be political suicide for each and every one of them.
    3. Every year thousands of graduates from UT, A&M, Rice, Baylor and others go out to continue the work of improving the state of Texas.
    4. UT was established in the state’s constitution. If you have problems with public higher education, take it up with Sam Houston.
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