4th and Inches said:

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J.R. said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This has been a historic line of division between Americans—those who see anything that we do overseas as somehow neglecting our responsibilities at home....The truth is, we need to be able to do both.”

— Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas), who supported the package. @WSJ

— Senator John Cornyn (@JohnCornyn) April 24, 2024

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Can't wait to vote his loser out in 4 years!

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Hopefully there are more of us than you. It is nice to have a sane Senator.

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Thats why we are working on closed primaries in Texas.

You Democrats can vote for your guy and we can vote for ours.

We have a sane Senator. Cruz isnt too bad.

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Cruz is an absolute MEOW. Any man who would stand by while trumps insulted his wife time and time again and ole Ted is back to licking trumps boots. What a disgrace . If he did that to my wife, I'd go scorched earth on him and wouldn't can if it cost me my job. What a putz. He is an embarrassment to Texas. John Cor. is ok, though.

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classic JR post..

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agreed. He sounds like he has a blonde combover and orange skin with posts like that.

359-43-7: The House quickly votes to table Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's motion to oust Mike Johnson from the House Speakership.

196 Republicans and 163 Democrats voted to table it, while 11 Republicans and 32 Democrats did not. 7 Democrats voted “present.” pic.twitter.com/LVkd8KO7DX

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

Democrats won't commit to saving Mike Johnson again, should Marjorie Taylor Greene take another shot at removing him. https://t.co/3SDjX1Uabg

— Axios (@axios) May 9, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad. What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross. Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done. MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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What was the GOP advantage after the election? What is it now? Something is happening that is driving the old school GOP out. Whether you think they are RINO's, UniParty's, NEOCON's, or whatever else you want to call them, the far right DOES NOT HAVE the numbers to govern. This compromise and moderate view you so despise is the only way the GOP has a shot. Far Right is not winning the advantage of seats in the GOP to do what you want to do.

Something in their positions and personalities are creating a non-teniable GOP relationship, as they cannot get the GOP to vote on ANYTHING as a block. Even the Squad seems more willing to work with the Dems that disagree with them. That is not a badge of honor...

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Based on the vote, she is in no way his base. Hell, even Trump stood up for him. The MAGA group wants us to believe they are the base, but they are not. They are fringe right, no different the squad is fringe left. They take up oxygen and convince weak minded, uneducated that really have no idea how to deliver a Government. So, all they do is throw sticks in the spokes. Annoyance. Trump likes them because he can control them...

FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Based on the vote, she is in no way his base. Hell, even Trump stood up for him. The MAGA group wants us to believe they are the base, but they are not. They are fringe right,

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They are about 50% of the party....that is certainly a big big part of the base.

Because of party politics and the fact that plenty of More War/More Immigration 1st Republicans run as fake MAGA candidates they have less representatives in Congress than they should...but they are a big voting base of the party.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-republican-coalition/

[The most deeply conservative group in the political typology Faith and Flag Conservatives make up 23% of Republicans and independents who lean toward the Republican Party, making them one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition. Conservative across the board, they are one of the most politically engaged typology groups...Faith and Flag Conservatives say their political views are conservative, including 35% who describe themselves as "very conservative." They are overwhelmingly White and Christian and stand out for their views on the role of religion in public life. They are among Donald Trump's strongest supporters....Populist Right 23% of Republicans and Republican leaners are one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition, along with Faith and Flag Conservatives. They also are deeply conservative and reliably vote Republican. Yet they differ from Committed Conservative on two key dimensions: They hold hard-line immigration views and are highly critical of the economic system.]


F&F Cons and Populist Right Cons are around 50% of the party.

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That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Adequate description of your thinking in regards to abortion, homosexual 'ministers' and the mutilation of children .

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Based on the vote, she is in no way his base. Hell, even Trump stood up for him. The MAGA group wants us to believe they are the base, but they are not. They are fringe right,

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They are about 50% of the party....that is certainly a big big part of the base.

Because of party politics and the fact that plenty of More War/More Immigration 1st Republicans run as fake MAGA candidates they have less representatives in Congress than they should...but they are a big voting base of the party.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-republican-coalition/

[The most deeply conservative group in the political typology Faith and Flag Conservatives make up 23% of Republicans and independents who lean toward the Republican Party, making them one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition. Conservative across the board, they are one of the most politically engaged typology groups...Faith and Flag Conservatives say their political views are conservative, including 35% who describe themselves as "very conservative." They are overwhelmingly White and Christian and stand out for their views on the role of religion in public life. They are among Donald Trump's strongest supporters....Populist Right 23% of Republicans and Republican leaners are one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition, along with Faith and Flag Conservatives. They also are deeply conservative and reliably vote Republican. Yet they differ from Committed Conservative on two key dimensions: They hold hard-line immigration views and are highly critical of the economic system.]


F&F Cons and Populist Right Cons are around 50% of the party.

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Thanks for the breakdown.

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Based on the vote, she is in no way his base. Hell, even Trump stood up for him. The MAGA group wants us to believe they are the base, but they are not. They are fringe right,

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They are about 50% of the party....that is certainly a big big part of the base.

Because of party politics and the fact that plenty of More War/More Immigration 1st Republicans run as fake MAGA candidates they have less representatives in Congress than they should...but they are a big voting base of the party.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/the-republican-coalition/

[The most deeply conservative group in the political typology Faith and Flag Conservatives make up 23% of Republicans and independents who lean toward the Republican Party, making them one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition. Conservative across the board, they are one of the most politically engaged typology groups...Faith and Flag Conservatives say their political views are conservative, including 35% who describe themselves as "very conservative." They are overwhelmingly White and Christian and stand out for their views on the role of religion in public life. They are among Donald Trump's strongest supporters....Populist Right 23% of Republicans and Republican leaners are one of the two largest groups in the GOP coalition, along with Faith and Flag Conservatives. They also are deeply conservative and reliably vote Republican. Yet they differ from Committed Conservative on two key dimensions: They hold hard-line immigration views and are highly critical of the economic system.]


F&F Cons and Populist Right Cons are around 50% of the party.

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my point exactly. Add in the "Committed Conservatives" who do not have a problem working with those on the right, and you have about a third of the party left that are "moderates." The crazies that FLBear rails about are not the fringe of the party. They are the guts of it.

And the irony is, the policy differences are subtle. It's the style that really differs. Moderates cannot abide the more confrontational tactics of the Freedom Caucus members like Gaetz or MTG. Dems understand how to use confrontational tactics to move the Overton Window, and cooperate with their crazies to give them cover to the dirty work, while GOP moderates seek to isolate and if necessary expel their crazies, which of course infuriates over half the party. Such is incomprehensible madness = literally spending political capital to make themselves weaker.

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

---

Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

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I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

---

she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

---

Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

---

Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

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I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

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Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

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I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

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Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

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LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

---

MTG is the Republican base?

---

Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

---

I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

---

Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

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LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

---

Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

---

Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

---

Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

---

Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

---

MTG is the Republican base?

---

Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

---

I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

---

Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

---

LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

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If she agrees with me on policy, does that make her an moderate?

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

---

she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

---

Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

---

Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

---

Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

---

Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

---

MTG is the Republican base?

---

Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

---

I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

---

Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

---

LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

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If she agrees with me on policy, does that make her an moderate?

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Is that a bad thing, being a Moderate? Why? When did a Reagan, Eisenhower and Nixon (politically) view become moderate and bad?

FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

---

she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

---

Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

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I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

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Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

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LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

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If she agrees with me on policy, does that make her an moderate?

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Is that a bad thing, being a Moderate? Why? When did a Reagan, Eisenhower and Nixon (politically) view become moderate and bad?

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You act like things are static…Reagan, Eisenhower, and Nixon would all be considered "hard core right wing" by the Media today.

Can you imagine Eisenhower governing the country with 1950s social-moral values…people would be calling him a theocratic fascist

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

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MTG is the Republican base?

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Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

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I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

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Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

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LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

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moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

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If she agrees with me on policy, does that make her an moderate?

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Is that a bad thing, being a Moderate? Why? When did a Reagan, Eisenhower and Nixon (politically) view become moderate and bad?

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You act like things are static…Reagan, Eisenhower, and Nixon would all be considered "hard core right wing" by the Media today.

Can you imagine Eisenhower governing the country with 1950s social-moral values…people would be calling him a theocratic fascist

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Eisenhower used the 82nd to ensure the law was upheld and civil rights moved forward the first civil rights act. No politician would do that today, but look at Eisenhower's social advances. MTG would go ballistic and she represents the base. Reagan granted Amnesty. Nixon took us off the golf standard. All extremely conservative stances, right?

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“This is the uniparty for the American people watching,” Greene says amid boos from both sides of the aisle. https://t.co/Jk28xqpVjU

— The Recount (@therecount) May 8, 2024

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She is a real problem, she is even going against Trump now.

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she's speaking for a majority of the party w/r/t the Speaker.....

Why is it always the conservatives who are the problem for resisting leadership, but not moderates who do exactly the same thing?

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Majority of the Party???? I don't know what Party you belong to. Johnson's Conservative credentials are better than Greene's! For someone that seems to pride himself on being an analyst, strategic thinker you support some very strange positions. You know better than most that Johnson, ANY GOP Speaker today, is limited in what they can do and get accomplished. Yet, you support whack job, shrill emotional outburst like yesterday that do nothing but create chaos and give more power to the Dems. Johnson knows getting Trump elected is Job #1, the rest is just trying to keep the Nation on the rails until the election.

By the way, she got slapped down by her own Party and the GOP Nominee. Look at the vote. Don't think she is in tuned with the Party.

Worse yet, she has NO concept of how to actually accomplish anything. Her and Gaetz just go off the rails run by pure emotion. Meanwhile, the Dems act as a block and everything is a concerted effort. They are setting Trump and the neo-GOP back decades...

That is my name for the current GOP - neo-GOP. Because it sure ain't Reagan and Goldwater's GOP.

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Conservative credentials aside, he facilitated the advance of items important to the left and got nothing in return. He did it on military aid. He did it on FISA courts. What did "we" get in return? (nothing that I'm aware of.) She is expressing a view held by a majority of Republicans, who are frustrated that we spent all this money on Israel and Ukraine (which did need spending) and got nothing done to stop the flow of people across the southern border (which does need stopping).

Fact is, moderates in the party are just as unreasonable as MTG. Moderates are threatening to cross aisles if they don't get their way, too. Etc......

Why is it always the responsibility of the Republicans to compromise? Democrats were willing to let Ukraine go down in defeat to protect their border policy. Why are they not the problem here? (answer: because they know GOP moderates will bend to the urge to be the adult in the room.)

Until Democrats are filled with terror that the GOP actually is ready to say no, sit down under a shad tree, and start peeling peaches while the whole show burns to the ground, Democrats will continue to make maximalist demands and wait until Republicans cave.

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Several issues here.

First, Johnson and through and through Conservative said point blank his view on supporting Ukraine and Israel changed when he saw the intel. You of everyone on this Board should respect that answer. You know he is not at liberty to share, but if a guy with his pedigree is saying there are things you don't know, and we need to fund this. It should carry weight,
actually, his statement about "seeing the intel" concerned the FISA court. He shoulda said "fine, let the FISA court collapse. We'll write better law on a new one next week." And then be prepared to in fact let it collapse and start writing law on a replacement. Until Democrats understand that we are prepared do do exactly that, they will keep winning.

Second. that ship has sailed. The GOP is dysfunctional. You have to ask why? You say moderates are willing to leave, why? The Dem Moderates are ok with the most radical positions of the Squad.
Read what you wrote there. Dem Moderates go along with ALL of the radical positions of the Squad....they NEVER publicly criticize them. Where are all the stories about the Dem moderates saving the party from the Squad, undermining the far left to work with Republicans? Blue Dogs, Blue Dogs, wherefore art thou, Blue Dogs?

What is the GOP extreme asking that is so unpalatable that they are willing to cross.
Like what. GIve us an example of an extreme position that Gaetz and MTG are demanding? I disagree with them on Ukraine funding. Very unwise positions they have taken. But is it really "extreme" to demand fiscal restraint? Is it really extreme to suggest the problem on the border is worse? I mean, where, EXACTLY is the extreme position analogous to the ideological nonsense of the Squad?

Calling them names and yelling at them is not gonna get it done.
Equating MTG with the squad and calling her a radical is not gonna get it done, either, when all she's doing is standing up for things that are broadly popular, if not majoritarian positions within the party.

MAGA needs to take a look in the mirror if life long GOPers are willing to retire and cross than support what they want. But, seems you prefer to call them names. Gaetz and Greene hurt the Party.
And the moderates who create them don't?

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Never fight with your base, man. Never. It is a bullet train to the hurt locker.

---

MTG is the Republican base?

---

Her views are a far larger slice of the primary electorate than yours are.

Are you going to demonize all of them, or work with them?

---

I'm an Independent
Will you work with me. DJT said he didn't want or need folks who supported other Republicans. I believe him

---

Well, let's see....independents certainly do not have a governing majority, and there aren't any moderates in the Democrat Party. Very monolithic majorities there in favor of open borders, modern monetary theory, green new deal, etc.... Of course, you can join with a quarter or so of the GOP who doesn't like Trump, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a governing majority either. Now, moderates are practical, if we are to believe what we are told, so exactly how do they change direction in Washington while refusing to work with the GOP?

There's an old quote attributed to various people but most often Sam Rayburn which goes "any jackass can kick a barn down; but it takes a carpenter to build one."

Don't be the jackass.

---

LOL. MTG is a carpenter?

---

moreso than you, my friend.

Can you tell me a policy issue where you have sharp disagreement with her?

---

If she agrees with me on policy, does that make her an moderate?

---

Is that a bad thing, being a Moderate? Why? When did a Reagan, Eisenhower and Nixon (politically) view become moderate and bad?

---

You act like things are static…Reagan, Eisenhower, and Nixon would all be considered "hard core right wing" by the Media today.

Can you imagine Eisenhower governing the country with 1950s social-moral values…people would be calling him a theocratic fascist

---

Eisenhower used the 82nd to ensure the law was upheld and civil rights moved forward the first civil rights act. No politician would do that today, but look at Eisenhower's social advances. MTG would go ballistic and she represents the base. Reagan granted Amnesty. Nixon took us off the golf standard. All extremely conservative stances, right?

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