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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Göbekli Tepe is one of the oldest man made structures ever found on earth. Discovered in modern-day Turkey, and still yet to be fully excavated, it dates to a baffling 12,000 years old.

Not only was man around, they were here and making massive architectual sites bigger than a dozen football fields.

Everything we know is most likely flawed or wrong.

You truly cannot hate the American reporting class enough https://t.co/flXQmMuOwL pic.twitter.com/mlavYcD8lV

— Peter Wrangel (@PeterWrangel) October 28, 2023

Absolutely amazing choice, proven by silly posts here that are so ridiculous.

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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The folks who believe in the "old earth" argument have gotten us +$30T in debt. Let's give the "young earth" guys a try. Maybe they can do a better job (in no small part because they are not interested in arguing over things that do not matter.)

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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Thanks. That's a fair statement

I believe the first 11 chapters of Genesis are factual, but have concluded that the earth is 4 billion years old

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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There is a different interpretation of Genesis

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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There is a different interpretation of Genesis

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as is everything in life.

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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There is a different interpretation of Genesis

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as is everything in life.

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Yep

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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why

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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dont leave the USA, you wont like the public policy of most of the outside world..

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Especially Sharia
Sharia is Islam's legal system.
It is derived from the Quran, Islam's holy book, as well as the Sunnah and Hadith - the deeds and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad.

Where an answer cannot be derived directly from these, religious scholars may give rulings as guidance on a particular topic or question.

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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dont leave the USA, you wont like the public policy of most of the outside world..

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Especially Sharia
Sharia is Islam's legal system.
It is derived from the Quran, Islam's holy book, as well as the Sunnah and Hadith - the deeds and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad.

Where an answer cannot be derived directly from these, religious scholars may give rulings as guidance on a particular topic or question.

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Some baselines......
Koran is the literal word of Allah, as quoted by the Archangel Gabriel directly to Muhammad
Hadith is the collected sayings of Muhammad.
Sunnah is the collected stories about Muhammad as recounted by his contemporaries.
That order is instructive in Islam.

The Koran is not at all like the Bible. Koran is an uncreated document given directly by Allah to educate and instruct muslims. Further, islam is a "closed" religion, meaning Muhammad was the final prophet. Allah's message is complete. Now comply. That is the context of islamic jurisprudence. The judge (imam) is looking at the act committed and determining if it is one of five things: Required, recommended, inconsequential, discouraged, or forbidden by the Koran. When the status of the act is unclear, there is a well-established protocol for resolution.

All the major "schools" of islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) instruct that the first reference is the Koran. If it is not clear, the imam is next to consult the Hadith. (who better to interpret the word of Allah in the Koran, than the man who related it? Further, the Koran identifies Muhammad as the "perfect muslim." Who better to sift thru details and interpret than "the perfect muslim?") If things are still not clear, imam is to then refer to Sunnah. (who better to comment on Muhammad than the men who rode with him into battle?) It is only at that point where islamic jurisprudence divides into "schools" of thought. There are dozens, but the 5 largest cover a preponderance of the faith. The Hanbali School is the smallest but most strict, the legal guide for the modern jihadi movement. The Hanafi School followed by Ottoman Rulers is generally considered the most liberal. In no small part, that is because it is the only fiqh which allows for local tradition to be considered (way down at the bottom in 8th place).

The fallacy of equivalence the western mind typically makes is to assume that Islam is "just like Christianity" or that the Koran is "just like the Bible." That leads to profound misunderstanding of what they are seeing. The Koran is not a book of poetry written about Allah, or oral traditions of the relationships of muslims with Allah, or letters written between early muslims, sprinkled with a few quotations of Allah from the pens of men who rode with him. Every. Single. Word. is the word of Allah. It would be like tossing out the entire bible except for the red letter words of Christ in the first four books of the bible. That profoundly shapes interpretations toward literalism and limits the ability for adapting the message to modern times.

It is why, for example, the "pact of Umar" is so relevant. It is part of Sunnah. Still taught today in islamic seminaries as a baseline every bit as relevant as the letters of Paul to early Churches. Read the Pact of Umar, and you can easily see why islam, once established, extirpates other faiths over years, decades, centuries. PoU literally orders the islamic mind toward infidels, Christians, and Jews. It is literally why religious liberty is such anathema to muslims.

The Koran and Western Culture are to one another as oil is water, fire is to ice, matter is to anti-matter.
It explains why muslims can be so exuberant about things that are so horrific to the western mind. If you are not a muslim, you are nothing......sub-human. Atrocities done to you are a demonstration of Allah's power and anger, punishment for your refusal to submit. The idea of living in peace and harmony as equals with infidels is an insult to Allah, on so many levels. Muslims are instructed to enforce sharia, dammit! Ergo why the Palestinians will NEVER agree to peace with Israel and is instead working to exterminate Jews "from the river to the sea."

Israel is executing an anaconda strategy with the West Bank.....slowly, steadily using settlements to gain hegemony in the area.....to ensure Jewish rather than islamic law can be chosen in free elections, allowing the Palestinians who want to live in peace to do so, and others to follow their hearts into jihad or exile. Compare that to what we saw three weeks ago. Picking a side should not be terribly hard for anyone, within Israel or without.

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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Fanatics and fundamentalist will interpret Israel through the lenses of the Bible. They connect the coming of Christ to the re-establishment of the Temple in Jerusalem. After that goal is achieved in their eyes the rapture will come and all foreign policy will be moot.

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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Fanatics and fundamentalist will interpret Israel through the lenses of the Bible. They connect the coming of Christ to the re-establishment of the Temple in Jerusalem. After that goal is achieved in their eyes the rapture will come and all foreign policy will be moot.

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haha, you really think this?

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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Fanatics and fundamentalist will interpret Israel through the lenses of the Bible. They connect the coming of Christ to the re-establishment of the Temple in Jerusalem. After that goal is achieved in their eyes the rapture will come and all foreign policy will be moot.

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There will still be foreign policy. All nations who do not go to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles will not receive rain but will receive plagues.

Waiting for liberals' heads to spontaneously combust.

House Speaker Mike Johnson is at a career-defining crossroads: Hardline Republicans — a day after sabotaging their own party's bills in a show of force — are pressuring him to renege on a spending deal he struck with Senate Democrats.https://t.co/3tRappaNW2

— Axios (@axios) January 12, 2024

“If Speaker Johnson doesn't deliver on the conservative credentials he promised us, then I suspect we will be looking for a new Speaker.”

— Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) on some House Republicans considering ousting Speaker Johnson for his initial spending agreement with Democrats pic.twitter.com/qRMsHwuGSu

— The Recount (@therecount) January 11, 2024

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Johnson does believe in science because he is a young earth believer which result in believing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old. That kind of thinking is ludicrous, and absolutely, dumbfounding

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Who said it was the worst trait? But when it comes to Israel and fundais
Do you have a link for the young earth allegation?

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-johnson-young-earth-creationist_n_653adc81e4b0d69ae7068a0b

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If believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis is the worst thing about this guy, then he is an amazing choice.

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who said it was the worst thing? But fundamentalism in literal interpretations of revelation, or Daniel or Ezekiel will lead you into bad foreign policy

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don't be afraid of the Bible.

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For public policy I do

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Fanatics and fundamentalist will interpret Israel through the lenses of the Bible. They connect the coming of Christ to the re-establishment of the Temple in Jerusalem. After that goal is achieved in their eyes the rapture will come and all foreign policy will be moot.

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haha, you really think this?

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I don't want to know what ol 47 believes in.

At least not on a full stomach.

Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

— Republican Accountability (@AccountableGOP) January 12, 2024

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The guy is a nut who thinks that the USA is the new promised land. That belief is contrary to the gospels and Jesus' teaching. JC was more interested in reign of God.
"No group has been more supportive of Donald Trump and more likely to believe that the 2020 election was stolen than Christian nationalists, who believe God wants the U.S. to be a promised land for their religion. Their champion may no longer be president, but, in Johnson, they now have a true believer second in line to the presidency. An enthusiastic backer of bogus legal theories seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election, the 51-year-old Johnson was first elected to the House in 2016. Before then, he cut his teeth trying to erode the separation of church and state and abortion and LGBTQ rights as a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund the Christian right legal powerhouse now known as the Alliance Defending Freedom." MSNBC

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ADF does not erode the separation of church and state. They defend religious liberty. Shame on you as a minister if you're not doing the same.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

— Republican Accountability (@AccountableGOP) January 12, 2024

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She can't oust him. She can only bring him up for a vote. If Jeffries believes he can work with Johnson, Johnson will remain Speaker.

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) after congressional leaders met with Biden:

“We had a productive meeting, I think … The president was very forthright. I told the president what I’ve been saying for many months ... we must have change at the border — substantive policy change.” pic.twitter.com/bjsw2aYtF5

— The Recount (@therecount) January 17, 2024

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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

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She can't oust him. She can only bring him up for a vote. If Jeffries believes he can work with Johnson, Johnson will remain Speaker.

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Doesn't her group run the Party?

Where is Gaetz?

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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

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She can't oust him. She can only bring him up for a vote. If Jeffries believes he can work with Johnson, Johnson will remain Speaker.

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Doesn't her group run the Party?

Where is Gaetz?

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Rep. Roy (R-TX): It doesn't matter who is sitting in the speaker's seat or who has the majority. We keep doing the same stupid stuff. pic.twitter.com/7VOhkRJeyd

— Acyn (@Acyn) January 18, 2024

Marjorie Taylor Greene: “I do not wish to inflict pain on our conference and throw the House in chaos. But this is basically a warning, and it's time for us…To find a new Speaker of the House.”

What a sh*t show. pic.twitter.com/XQRTLnStFz

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) March 22, 2024

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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

— Republican Voters Against Trump (@AccountableGOP) January 12, 2024

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It amazes me this horse-faced nutjob has the power she does.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she told Speaker Mike Johnson she would motion to “vacate the chair” if he does not comply with her demands. pic.twitter.com/av8CNzAocE

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It amazes me this horse-faced nutjob has the power she does.

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"Beware the quiet man. For while others speak, he watches. And while others act, he plans. And when they finally rest … he strikes".

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Most Americans might not be able to pick Mike Johnson out of a lineup, but in reality he's far from benign. Johnson is a true Trump believer. He was an architect in the House of Trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election, and served as one of the former president's impeachment lawyers. He is opposed to any form of abortion access. He once supported criminalizing gay sex. MSNBC

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gonna need you to stop posting stuff from sites that have been known misinformation on them..

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I don't watch MSNBC, but I think all of the above is true (not sure about the gay sex thing).

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The gay sex issue is well documented by many sources