House Republicans Elect Mike Johnson Speaker, Ending Weeks of Uncertainty

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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:40p, 4/11/24
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Are people allowed to change their minds when compelling arguments are made?


Sure,

But Congress critters only seem to get more swampy on foreign policy/intelligence complex issues….never less


Let's get rid of Leftist Johnson
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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:34p, 4/11/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Are people allowed to change their minds when compelling arguments are made?


Sure,

But Congress critters only seem to get more swampy on foreign policy/intelligence complex issues….never less


Let's get rid of Leftist Johnson



Do only leftists like the security state?

That's a bipartisan issue
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 9:45p, 4/11/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Are people allowed to change their minds when compelling arguments are made?


Sure,

But Congress critters only seem to get more swampy on foreign policy/intelligence complex issues….never less


Let's get rid of Leftist Johnson



Do only leftists like the security state?

That's a bipartisan issue


Time for him to go
MTG says so
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In reply to Osodecentx • 10:07p, 4/11/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Are people allowed to change their minds when compelling arguments are made?


Sure,

But Congress critters only seem to get more swampy on foreign policy/intelligence complex issues….never less


Let's get rid of Leftist Johnson



Do only leftists like the security state?

That's a bipartisan issue


Time for him to go
MTG says so


Maybe not go…but people can be disappointed

Even MTG who you seem to hate




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In reply to Redbrickbear • 2:22a, 4/12/24
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Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:46a, 4/12/24
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Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
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7:03a, 4/12/24
meet the new speaker .....

- el kkm

... la misma que orladora pasado.

{ tomando cafe }

desarrollando!
POE.
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In reply to whiterock • 7:06a, 4/12/24
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:08a, 4/12/24
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
hegelian, no????

- kkm

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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:33a, 4/12/24
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 12:32p, 4/13/24
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Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists




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In reply to Redbrickbear • 1:18p, 4/13/24
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists






So you oppose the bill as passed by the House?
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In reply to whiterock • 1:19p, 4/13/24
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 1:21p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?




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In reply to Redbrickbear • 1:26p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 1:27p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




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In reply to Redbrickbear • 1:53p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 2:24p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 2:33p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion
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In reply to Osodecentx • 2:35p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 2:39p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes

Now it's your turn. Do you support the bill as passed by the House
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In reply to Osodecentx • 4:06p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 4:27p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing
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Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:02p, 4/13/24
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
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Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side
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In reply to Osodecentx • 5:54p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side


I would rather have Constitutional protections than live in fear…and trust unelected government bureaucrats



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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:00p, 4/13/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side


I would rather have Constitutional protections than live in fear…and trust unelected government bureaucrats



There is a Constitutional right to life. I don't live in fear because of Sec 702
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:52p, 4/13/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side


I would rather have Constitutional protections than live in fear…and trust unelected government bureaucrats



There is a Constitutional right to life. I don't live in fear because of Sec 702


There are just parts of the Constitution you want to do anyway with or ignore.

And you do live in fear…fear of "terrorists"

When of course there will also be terrorist types but we should never let them warp or infringe our Constitutional liberties


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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:48a, 4/14/24
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side


I would rather have Constitutional protections than live in fear…and trust unelected government bureaucrats



There is a Constitutional right to life. I don't live in fear because of Sec 702


There are just parts of the Constitution you want to do anyway with or ignore.

And you do live in fear…fear of "terrorists"

When of course there will also be terrorist types but we should never let them warp or infringe our Constitutional liberties




You're living in fear
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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:08a, 4/14/24
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?






Do you support the bill as passed by the House?




Do you support the bill as passed by the House?


Does it protect American citizens from being spied on by their government?


I don't understand why you you refuse to answer the question
I'm asking your opinion


And I'm asking you a simple question about specifics of the House bill

Did it protect Americans from warrantless surveillance or not.

That fact will determine my support or opposition to the House bill

Why won't you answer that?


Yes



Well that's an interesting take

But I suspect you never cared about defending the American people from security state excess in the first place.

I don't support any House bill that does not have robust provisions for protecting American people from warrantless surveillance


I understand your position but respectfully disagree

I'm supporting a bill that protects Americans from terrorists who hate us & want to kill us.
IMO, the bill has been watered down. It's better than nothing



We have heard that excuse for 20 years.

It's long past time to roll back some of these war on terror measures.

We saw a lot of government overreach post 9/11


I disagree
There are a lot of people who hate us & want to do us harm. I'd rather miss on the caution side


I would rather have Constitutional protections than live in fear…and trust unelected government bureaucrats



There is a Constitutional right to life. I don't live in fear because of Sec 702


There are just parts of the Constitution you want to do anyway with or ignore.

And you do live in fear…fear of "terrorists"

When of course there will also be terrorist types but we should never let them warp or infringe our Constitutional liberties




You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 9:18a, 4/14/24
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You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.
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In reply to Whiskey Pete • 12:11p, 4/14/24
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You're living in fear


More like concerned with protecting our civil liberties.

You're afraid of terrorists under the bed and willing to give up freedom for the promise of security
Sometimes I wonder if he's willing to give up freedoms for convenience.


What freedoms am I giving up?

Non-Americans outside the United States do not have Fourth Amendment protection; Americans who contact non-Americans outside the United States where American law does not control, and where foreign officials could be monitoring communications have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:09a, 4/15/24
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whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Redbrickbear said:


Time for Johnson to go?

Next he'll be mean to terrorists
plumb goofy for a Republican leader to agree to expand FISA court in an election year, given what we know about FISA court abuse directed at Republican politicians over the last 8 years.

And I am a supporter of a FISA court process, mind you....
"As I look back over my career in law enforcement, I would be hard-pressed to think of a time where so many threats to our public safety and national security were so elevated all at once," Mr. Wray told lawmakers. "But that is the case as I sit here today."
I do not at all disagree with what he said.

Rather, I'm pointing to a larger and far more important point: The most direct threat to MY life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (and yours.....) is deep-state abuse office directed at Republicans and political conservatives. Fix that, and I'm good with FISA.

Like I said, we NEED a FISA court process. I more than most understand what it does. I also more than most understand how it can be abused, and has been abused. We've got dozens of people walking free today drawing a pension who should be in prison for abuse of FISA court processes. No way I'm going to let that happen again. I'm going to require reform and accountability FIRST.


Do you support the bill as passed?
I haven't read it.

I want people fired, first.
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