Ah, but I thought the independents and moderates were going to flock to Trump.boognish_bear said:2016 exit poll, Trump got 32% w/ moderates/liberals (29% of NH R electorate) & 37% w/ conservatives (71%)
— Kyle Kondik (@kkondik) January 24, 2024
2024 exit poll, Trump got just 22% w/ mods/libs (34% of electorate) but 70% w/ conservatives (66%)
similar to Iowa '16 vs. '24. Good for primary, maybe not for general
Poll shows DeSantis and Haley would both perform better than Trump against Biden
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Mothra said:Ah, but I thought the independents and moderates were going to flock to Trump.boognish_bear said:2016 exit poll, Trump got 32% w/ moderates/liberals (29% of NH R electorate) & 37% w/ conservatives (71%)
— Kyle Kondik (@kkondik) January 24, 2024
2024 exit poll, Trump got just 22% w/ mods/libs (34% of electorate) but 70% w/ conservatives (66%)
similar to Iowa '16 vs. '24. Good for primary, maybe not for general
New Hampshire is an open primary and the democrats werent even on the ballot to split the vote between Biden and Haley. This is exactly how the general election would go if they didnt cheat by stuffing drop boxes with fake ballots, allowing non-citizens to vote, and bringing in boxes of faked mail-in ballots in the middle of the night. If we had secure elections, Trump would win NH by about 5 points.
I am not sure what that has to do with the polling numbers stated in the tweet, if nothing changed between 2016 and today. If you read the tweet, Trump's support clearly declined among moderates and independents in the NH primary when comparing 2024 to 2016.
As the tweet suggests, that is a problem when it comes to the general.
As the tweet suggests, that is a problem when it comes to the general.
Mothra said:
I am not sure what that has to do with the polling numbers stated in the tweet, if nothing changed between 2016 and today. If you read the tweet, Trump's support clearly declined among moderates and independents in the NH primary when comparing 2024 to 2016.
As the tweet suggests, that is a problem when it comes to the general.
The tweet clearly says moderates/leftists.
And if you dont think democrats were coming out to vote for Nicki Haley in the open primary, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
But not to worry... you folks have refused to compromise on securing our elections so the playbook used in 2020 to steal the election is still viable in 2024.
Top House and Senate Republicans called to end the Republican presidential primaries following former President Trump's victory in the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday. https://t.co/SIQN8RcgpL
— Axios (@axios) January 24, 2024
Yes, the tweet says moderates/liberals supported Trump in larger numbers in the primaries in 2016 than in 2024. That's the point - more moderates/liberals supported Trump in 2016 than 2024, which - again - poses a problem for Trump in the general election.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:
I am not sure what that has to do with the polling numbers stated in the tweet, if nothing changed between 2016 and today. If you read the tweet, Trump's support clearly declined among moderates and independents in the NH primary when comparing 2024 to 2016.
As the tweet suggests, that is a problem when it comes to the general.
The tweet clearly says moderates/leftists.
And if you dont think democrats were coming out to vote for Nicki Haley in the open primary, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
But not to worry... you folks have refused to compromise on securing our elections so the playbook used in 2020 to steal the election is still viable in 2024.
I am not sure why you're having such a disconnect on this one.
Trump extolling the best and brightest he hired. This guy is a ****ing imbecile.boognish_bear said:
Mothra said:Yes, the tweet says moderates/liberals supported Trump in larger numbers in the primaries in 2016 than in 2024. That's the point - more moderates/liberals supported Trump in 2016 than 2024, which - again - poses a problem for Trump in the general election.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:
I am not sure what that has to do with the polling numbers stated in the tweet, if nothing changed between 2016 and today. If you read the tweet, Trump's support clearly declined among moderates and independents in the NH primary when comparing 2024 to 2016.
As the tweet suggests, that is a problem when it comes to the general.
The tweet clearly says moderates/leftists.
And if you dont think democrats were coming out to vote for Nicki Haley in the open primary, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
But not to worry... you folks have refused to compromise on securing our elections so the playbook used in 2020 to steal the election is still viable in 2024.
I am not sure why you're having such a disconnect on this one.
The tweet is poorly written, convoluted, and irrelevant.
I take the fact that Trump won an OPEN primary in a blue state that the democrats didnt caucus in as a good sign. However, I will re-iterate I have zero faith in the integrity of the 2024 general election bcs democrats filibuster the most common sense, rational steps we can take to remove 95% of all voting fraud such as:
Eliminating ballot drop boxes
Requiring voter ID
Requiring all mail-in ballots be notarized and sent by certified mail
ATL Bear said:Trump extolling the best and brightest he hired. This guy is a ****ing imbecile.boognish_bear said:
I was a little annoyed by that one... save the attacks for Biden and knock off the petty tweets for the next 10 months so you put yourself in the best position possible next November. Virtually the only thing you guys can criticize about his presidency is his personality so dont give them any ammunition.
I thought he was pretty gracious in victory when he won Iowa and when DeSantis dropped out.
There is a reason Biden did not have his name on the ballot….
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BREAKING: Decision Desk HQ projects that Trump wins the New Hampshire primary.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 24, 2024
The win is even more impressive considering tons of "undetermined" voters are "strategically" voting for Nikki Haley even though they'd never vote for her in the general.
"I voted for Nikki Haley and… pic.twitter.com/A1kL3NWoGh
boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works.Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation.
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool).
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden.
You and I both know what you're asking for is impossible. The man just can't act like an adult. It lost him the 2020 election, and it's going to lose him the next.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:Trump extolling the best and brightest he hired. This guy is a ****ing imbecile.boognish_bear said:
I was a little annoyed by that one... save the attacks for Biden and knock off the petty tweets for the next 10 months so you put yourself in the best position possible next November. Virtually the only thing you guys can criticize about his presidency is his personality so dont give them any ammunition.
I thought he was pretty gracious in victory when he won Iowa and when DeSantis dropped out.
FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
based on voter turn out, he may actually win NH this time..(probably not but who knows)boognish_bear said:Donald Trump: “We won New Hampshire three times now…We win the primary, we win the generals”
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) January 24, 2024
Fact check: Trump lost NH to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to Biden in 2020. pic.twitter.com/Uq2bLKeBdV
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
Some good advice he obviously won't take
This is the commentary that Kayleigh McEnany gave that made Don The Con go on an unhinged lie social late night rant. What a petty, pathetic, and easily distracted bitter old man. pic.twitter.com/fwOOWNz9zG
— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) January 24, 2024
.HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
Dude your party , your 'team' is intentionally permitting the illegal entry of MILLIONS of individuals into our country every year.
An act of destruction unparalleled in US history.
In fact unparalleled anywhere in the entire Wedtern Hemisphere.
These MILLIONS will continue to increase in numbers as your 'team' has encouraged their migration with free food, housing and medical care.
Why your team is permitting this incredible invasion has not been openly acknowledged.
But its impact on every aspect of American life will be immediate, far reaching and incredibly destructive.
Possibly you welcome such a degradation of our standard of living. Maybe you are so far down and out you merely wish to spread the misery .
Maybe you just feel insulated from any negative impact from these MILLIONS. But of course you're not.
Sooner or later you will feel the consequences of the 'monster' your team is unleashing on all of us.
I get it, you're butt hurt that Trump is going to be the nominee. He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going off the cliff and calling the entire GOP extreme.FLBear5630 said:What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works. Are you saying that the GOP is extreme because some Republicans opined that a candidate should drop out of the race? You and I have a different definition of "extreme"Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation. You do realize that every election, backers of any given candidate call for the other to drop out of primaries. I guess this country has been so extreme for so long on both sides
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool). Actually just 8 congressmen didn't oust the house leader. It took more than half of Reps to vote him out. If more Republicans did a better job of getting elected, then the house leader probably wouldn't have been ousted, but you can count on democrats to vote against republicans all the time.
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden. Once again, you said "GOP is very extreme now", now you're talking about Trump.
Good post. Most satirical I've seen on here in weeks.HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
You people are flat out insane if you believe that, "extremist" even. So, thank you for illustrating my point for me I guess.
There's a reason independents and moderates are fleeing your extremist party in droves. Even DeSantis gets it now at this point, and that's saying something. Bobby Jindal even tried telling y'all back in like 2012, for all the good it did...
There's a reason independents and moderates are fleeing your extremist party in droves. Even DeSantis gets it now at this point, and that's saying something. Bobby Jindal even tried telling y'all back in like 2012, for all the good it did...
Did you happen to catch the 2020 Democrat primary, where each of your candidates tried to outwoke the other? Did you forget the many Democrat debates about defunding police forces, banning guns, white privilege, trans rights, reparations, and social justice? Did you catch the fact that an avowed socialist was the runner up in the 2020 Democrat primary? Were you around in 2019 and 2020, when your party vociferously and financially supported what was essentially a mob that burned and looted cities in the name of race?HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
My God, man. I once said Oldbear might have the biggest blind spot on these boards, but now I am beginning to think it's you. When liberals like Bill Maher are saying your party has gone bat **** crazy, you might sit up and take notice.
Stop being a partisan hack for just a moment, and open your eyes.
Mothra said:Did you happen to catch the 2020 Democrat primary, where each of your candidates tried to outwoke the other? Did you forget the many Democrat debates about defunding police forces, white privilege, trans rights, reparations, and social justice? Did you catch the fact that an avowed socialist was the runner up in the 2020 Democrat primary? Were you around in 2019 and 2020, when your party vociferously and financially supported what was essentially a mob that burned and looted cities in the name of race?HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
My God, man. I once said Oldbear might have the biggest blind spot on these boards, but now I am beginning to think it's you. When liberals like Bill Maher are saying your party has gone bat **** crazy, you might sit up and take notice.
Stop being a partisan hack for just a moment, and open your eyes.
And which candidate came out of that primary process? Oh right, a moderate centrist named Joe Biden, who says we should increase funding for police.
Your proving my point for me. Again, there are radicals on both sides, but they don't come out on top for Dems like they do for Repubs. Dems just publicly rebuked their own members for criticizing Israel, Repubs can't even rebuke their party leader who literally says he wants to be dictator (on more than one occasion now!) and uses coded nazi language about immigrants "poisoning the blood" of our country.
Moderates and Independents are going to keep shunning your extremist party until you people wake up and see reality. You can try to project that insecurity on to me all you like, but the election results don't lie.
Are we talking about the same Biden who proposed the largest spending bill in the history of our country? The same Biden who signed numerous executive orders to promote diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility? The same Biden who proposed a bill to make it a Title IV violation to ban trans athletes from competing with the opposite biological sex? The same Biden who has opened the illegal immigration floodgates? The same Biden who made it his agenda to root out "white supremacy" in the military? The same Biden who issued a mandate that federal employees (including the military) had to get vaxxed or be fired?HuMcK said:Mothra said:Did you happen to catch the 2020 Democrat primary, where each of your candidates tried to outwoke the other? Did you forget the many Democrat debates about defunding police forces, white privilege, trans rights, reparations, and social justice? Did you catch the fact that an avowed socialist was the runner up in the 2020 Democrat primary? Were you around in 2019 and 2020, when your party vociferously and financially supported what was essentially a mob that burned and looted cities in the name of race?HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
My God, man. I once said Oldbear might have the biggest blind spot on these boards, but now I am beginning to think it's you. When liberals like Bill Maher are saying your party has gone bat **** crazy, you might sit up and take notice.
Stop being a partisan hack for just a moment, and open your eyes.
And which candidate came out of that primary process? Oh right, a moderate centrist named Joe Biden, who says we should increase funding for police.
Your proving my point for me. Again, there are radicals on both sides, but they don't come out on top for Dems like they do for Repubs. Dems just publicly rebuked their own members for criticizing Israel, Repubs can't even rebuke their party leader who literally says he wants to be dictator (on more than one occasion now!) and uses coded nazi language about immigrants "poisoning the blood" of our country.
Moderates and Independents are going to keep shunning your extremist party until you people wake up and see reality. You can try to project that insecurity on to me all you like, but the election results don't lie.
We talking about this "centrist" Biden, who has instituted the most liberal agenda by any President in the history of our country?
Surely you jest.
Mothra said:You and I both know what you're asking for is impossible. The man just can't act like an adult. It lost him the 2020 election, and it's going to lose him the next.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:Trump extolling the best and brightest he hired. This guy is a ****ing imbecile.boognish_bear said:
I was a little annoyed by that one... save the attacks for Biden and knock off the petty tweets for the next 10 months so you put yourself in the best position possible next November. Virtually the only thing you guys can criticize about his presidency is his personality so dont give them any ammunition.
I thought he was pretty gracious in victory when he won Iowa and when DeSantis dropped out.
Trump is often his own worst enemy. But for me, that's what makes him so relatable.
It took someone with his bravado to become the first outsider president in modern American history.
A small price to pay to not have a career politician in office for once I suppose.
I could care less if Trump wins, I voted for him twice and was better off during his Presidency. The guy is a whack-job, but he is a better whack-job than the Left.Whiskey Pete said:I get it, you're butt hurt that Trump is going to be the nominee. He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going off the cliff and calling the entire GOP extreme.FLBear5630 said:What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works. Are you saying that the GOP is extreme because some Republicans opined that a candidate should drop out of the race? You and I have a different definition of "extreme"Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation. You do realize that every election, backers of any given candidate call for the other to drop out of primaries. I guess this country has been so extreme for so long on both sides
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool). Actually just 8 congressmen didn't oust the house leader. It took more than half of Reps to vote him out. If more Republicans did a better job of getting elected, then the house leader probably wouldn't have been ousted, but you can count on democrats to vote against republicans all the time.
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden. Once again, you said "GOP is very extreme now", now you're talking about Trump.
I am butt-hurt over the Coronation is all. I do not like this naming a winner so early and the media falling in lock step, which influences future votes. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Then call for everyone to drop out after two Primaries and the GOP's forcing everyone to follow suit.
I want choices, not to be told this is your Nominee, it is good for you. You seem to be perfectly all right with being told who will win, say ok and falling in line, I prefer to be part of the decision process. But that is just me.
My God man, this happens EVERY primary. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. You get a couple of front runners out of the gate early, the rest is left behind and they tend to start dropping like flies. They have to, their donors leave them and they don't have money to continue.FLBear5630 said:I am butt-hurt over the Coronation is all. I do not like this naming a winner so early and the media falling in lock step, which influences future votes. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Then call for everyone to drop out after two Primaries and the GOP's forcing everyone to follow suit.Whiskey Pete said:I get it, you're butt hurt that Trump is going to be the nominee. He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going off the cliff and calling the entire GOP extreme.FLBear5630 said:What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works. Are you saying that the GOP is extreme because some Republicans opined that a candidate should drop out of the race? You and I have a different definition of "extreme"Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation. You do realize that every election, backers of any given candidate call for the other to drop out of primaries. I guess this country has been so extreme for so long on both sides
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool). Actually just 8 congressmen didn't oust the house leader. It took more than half of Reps to vote him out. If more Republicans did a better job of getting elected, then the house leader probably wouldn't have been ousted, but you can count on democrats to vote against republicans all the time.
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden. Once again, you said "GOP is very extreme now", now you're talking about Trump.
I want choices, not to be told this is your Nominee, it is good for you. You seem to be perfectly all right with being told who will win, say ok and falling in line, I prefer to be part of the decision process. But that is just me.
Trying to call the GOP extreme because some Republicans are saying that Haley should drop out, is well, ridiculous.
You have a real facked up definition of moderate if you think that describes "You ain't black if you don't vote for me" Biden.HuMcK said:Mothra said:Did you happen to catch the 2020 Democrat primary, where each of your candidates tried to outwoke the other? Did you forget the many Democrat debates about defunding police forces, white privilege, trans rights, reparations, and social justice? Did you catch the fact that an avowed socialist was the runner up in the 2020 Democrat primary? Were you around in 2019 and 2020, when your party vociferously and financially supported what was essentially a mob that burned and looted cities in the name of race?HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe its four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
My God, man. I once said Oldbear might have the biggest blind spot on these boards, but now I am beginning to think it's you. When liberals like Bill Maher are saying your party has gone bat **** crazy, you might sit up and take notice.
Stop being a partisan hack for just a moment, and open your eyes.
And which candidate came out of that primary process? Oh right, a moderate centrist named Joe Biden, who says we should increase funding for police.
Your proving my point for me. Again, there are radicals on both sides, but they don't come out on top for Dems like they do for Repubs. Dems just publicly rebuked their own members for criticizing Israel, Repubs can't even rebuke their party leader who literally says he wants to be dictator (on more than one occasion now!) and uses coded nazi language about immigrants "poisoning the blood" of our country.
Moderates and Independents are going to keep shunning your extremist party until you people wake up and see reality. You can try to project that insecurity on to me all you like, but the election results don't lie.
The GOP gets called extreme because y'all fell in line behind a guy who literally says he wants to be a dictator and go on a revenge spree against fellow Americans. Used to be we could all agree that kind of stuff is blatantly extremist, but nowadays that's evidently not the case...
GOP gets called extreme because the wacko radical left, like yourself, has moved the moderate needle so far to the left, that anyone who believes grown ass men shouldn't be allowed to share a bathroom where young girls go, you nutjobs believe they're a threat to democracy.HuMcK said:
The GOP gets called extreme because y'all fell in line behind a guy who literally says he wants to be a dictator and go on a revenge spree against fellow Americans. Used to be we could all agree that kind of stuff is blatantly extremist, but nowadays that's evidently not the case...
Open your eyes fool, democrats are doing exactly what you claim Trump wants to do.
It is NH...Whiskey Pete said:My God man, this happens EVERY primary. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. You get a couple of front runners out of the gate early, the rest is left behind and they tend to start dropping like flies. They have to, their donors leave them and they don't have money to continue.FLBear5630 said:I am butt-hurt over the Coronation is all. I do not like this naming a winner so early and the media falling in lock step, which influences future votes. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Then call for everyone to drop out after two Primaries and the GOP's forcing everyone to follow suit.Whiskey Pete said:I get it, you're butt hurt that Trump is going to be the nominee. He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going off the cliff and calling the entire GOP extreme.FLBear5630 said:What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works. Are you saying that the GOP is extreme because some Republicans opined that a candidate should drop out of the race? You and I have a different definition of "extreme"Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation. You do realize that every election, backers of any given candidate call for the other to drop out of primaries. I guess this country has been so extreme for so long on both sides
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool). Actually just 8 congressmen didn't oust the house leader. It took more than half of Reps to vote him out. If more Republicans did a better job of getting elected, then the house leader probably wouldn't have been ousted, but you can count on democrats to vote against republicans all the time.
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden. Once again, you said "GOP is very extreme now", now you're talking about Trump.
I want choices, not to be told this is your Nominee, it is good for you. You seem to be perfectly all right with being told who will win, say ok and falling in line, I prefer to be part of the decision process. But that is just me.
Trying to call the GOP extreme because some Republicans are saying that Haley should drop out, is well, ridiculous.
Usually, we start to consolidate after Super Tuesday.
Sorry, this is extreme. We are 1 week into Primaries and its over. This is a candidate that has 4 trials going on at the same time and has been banned in several States. It took the Supreme Court to get him a several ballots. Yet, shut it down? We don't need to hear from anyone else. Trump won, end of story. You don't find this odd?
No, I don't find it "odd" that some pundits and Republicans went on TV and said that Haley doesn't have a path to victory. What I find "extreme" is what Democrats did to Bernie Sanders in their primaries.FLBear5630 said:It is NH...Whiskey Pete said:My God man, this happens EVERY primary. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. You get a couple of front runners out of the gate early, the rest is left behind and they tend to start dropping like flies. They have to, their donors leave them and they don't have money to continue.FLBear5630 said:I am butt-hurt over the Coronation is all. I do not like this naming a winner so early and the media falling in lock step, which influences future votes. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Then call for everyone to drop out after two Primaries and the GOP's forcing everyone to follow suit.Whiskey Pete said:I get it, you're butt hurt that Trump is going to be the nominee. He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going off the cliff and calling the entire GOP extreme.FLBear5630 said:What do those things have to do with the how the Party conducts business? Everything you listed are subject matter to be discussed, debated, laws developed, consensus gathered and passed through votes of the whole Legislature. There are rules of order and legislative processes for a reason and have worked for 200+ years. There are Primaries/Caucuses in every State for a reason. Now, if everyone doesn't drop out of the election by the 2nd Primary they and their supporters are attacked. (If you prefer not to have to defend yourself to the MAGA hoard, you are a snowflake.) 99.9% of the Nation has not voted in the Primary, but we now have had a coronation. That is how MAGA works. Are you saying that the GOP is extreme because some Republicans opined that a candidate should drop out of the race? You and I have a different definition of "extreme"Whiskey Pete said:Just out of curiosity, what's so extreme about the GOP now?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
People not wanting doctors performing genital mutilation on 14 year olds?
For states to have the right to write their own abortion laws?
Parents not wanting teachers to push gender dysphoria onto their 8 years olds?
Wanting a secure border?
Not wanting to start of get involved in wars all over the world?
Stop fentanyl from flooding into our country?
Wanting the gov't to stop spending so much damn money?
Put in an end to human trafficking?
To limit the power of unelected bureaucrats in DC and make our representatives write legislation instead of letting the alphabet agencies issue regulation that are treated like law?
There is supposed to be a choice, but not since Donald rolled in. Now the choice is taken away after 2 States! 2 small States at that. Iowa and NH represent 1.3% of the US population! Yet DeSantis is out. Christy is out. Scott is out. Donald and MAGA are offended that Haley doesn't drop out. That is extreme. Elections are about electing, not a coronation. You do realize that every election, backers of any given candidate call for the other to drop out of primaries. I guess this country has been so extreme for so long on both sides
Same with the Legislature, 8 Congressmen of 435 got rid of the House Leader, 1.8%. That is how MAGA rolls. That is extreme by any metric. There is no disagreeing or even seeing a different way forward or you end up being not only cancelled (the left's favorite toll) but attacked (the MAGA/Rights favorite tool). Actually just 8 congressmen didn't oust the house leader. It took more than half of Reps to vote him out. If more Republicans did a better job of getting elected, then the house leader probably wouldn't have been ousted, but you can count on democrats to vote against republicans all the time.
Trump may have had good policies, but there are many parts of his personality and character that scare the hell out of me with him in charge. His followers are even worse. Sad thing is he is still a better choice than Biden. Once again, you said "GOP is very extreme now", now you're talking about Trump.
I want choices, not to be told this is your Nominee, it is good for you. You seem to be perfectly all right with being told who will win, say ok and falling in line, I prefer to be part of the decision process. But that is just me.
Trying to call the GOP extreme because some Republicans are saying that Haley should drop out, is well, ridiculous.
Usually, we start to consolidate after Super Tuesday.
Sorry, this is extreme. We are 1 week into Primaries and its over. This is a candidate that has 4 trials going on at the same time and has been banned in several States. It took the Supreme Court to get him a several ballots. Yet, shut it down? We don't need to hear from anyone else. Trump won, end of story. You don't find this odd?
If Nikki Haley wants to keep going and she can convince her donors to keep the money flowing into her campaign, she's free to continue as long as she wants. No one is telling her that she's no allowed.
You're overreacting.
Exit Polls
HuMcK said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Ron DeSantis warned that he saw a “lack of enthusiasm” among GOP voters in the Iowa caucus last week and that declining appeal among moderates is “a huge warning sign” for the Republican Party’s 2024 hopes. https://t.co/FYK59EqqzK pic.twitter.com/fRzqpYXyv2
— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2024
He is right. The moderates and Reagan Democrats have left the Party. GOP is very extreme now. Just like Dems, very extreme.
Do you realize it is not enough for Trump to win but everyone has to drop out by NH??? Or they are sheeple, disloyal, RINOs, etc. Haley staying in is considered a negative? Before the Convention? That is not a choice.
Man, there are moments where it seems like you guys are on the verge of an epiphany about to actually figure stuff out...but then you throw in a line that shows you don't get it at all.
"Just like Dems"? You've lost your mind if you think current Dem leadership is as extreme as the GOPs. Of course there are some loonys on the fringe, but they are constantly made to sit down and shut up by Dem party leadership (as Repubs should have done long ago if they had any balls). Pick literally any metric you want, but my favorite one is how many major bipartisan bills Biden can boast as accomplishments, I believe it's four in just his first two years. How many did Trump have again? Oh right, zero. That's because Dems work towards the middle and reach across the aisle, but Trump/Repubs don't even bother to try.
Face facts: y'all let a raving lunatic take over your party, and you're sore about the fact that something similar hasn't happened on the other side, but you have to pretend like it's a "both sides" issue to assuage your guilt about the monster you helped create.
The fact that four bipartisan bills were passed under a Democrat and zero under a Republican shows that it is Republicans, not Democrats, who reach across the aisle, which is the exact opposite of what you said.